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   From: RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com   
      
   On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:22:04 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Pro-Humanist   
   FREELOVER" in   
   <46953bed$0$29445$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com> wrote:   
      
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   >Certainly, thinking outside the box can and   
   >has led to many fascinating perspectives on   
   >what, exactly, the nature of 'all' is.   
   >   
   >The 'big bang', assumptions are that it banged   
   >into a void,   
      
   Nope. It is not expanding into anything: space itself is expanding.   
      
   >yet in the past 10 years, scientists   
   >have discovered that bang isn't slowing down.   
   >Instead, it's speeding up.   
      
   That is not a "yet", it is a separate issue.   
      
   >They refer to it as a force, the cause of the   
   >speeding up, yet you rarely hear the question,   
   >"What did the 'big bang' bang into?"   
      
   Because the question rests on erroneous ideas. It is not expanding   
   into anything: space is a property of the Universe, there is no   
   outside space.   
      
   >The standard presumption is that there was   
   >nothing, a bang, and then everything.   
      
   Nope, wrong there as well. And these are not presumptions or   
   assumptions, these are scientific conclusions. They may be wrong, but   
   you should really try to understand them before you object. There has   
   always been whatever there is since time, as well as space, are   
   properties of the Universe and exist with the Universe. There was no   
   *time* where there was nothing.   
      
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