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   From: prohumanist@gr8mail.com   
      
   a_f_r_i_e_n_d@hotmail.com wrote ...   
      
   >Not accepting reality is a form of suffering that the pro-humanist   
   >chooses.   
      
   Your reality bespeaks of hopelessness   
   and conformance and acceptance of   
   whatever status quo you happen to be   
   surrounded by, or not. If not, if you inter-   
   ject your points of view that are in vari-   
   ance with the status quo, I suspect you   
   are just as much in advocacy of that   
   point of view as is anyone else who   
   wishes to express themselves.   
      
   Seeing a negative in advocacy is a glass   
   half empty perspective on your part, un-   
   supported by logic, reason, or evidence.   
      
   >Wanting to change what one cannot change is a choice the pro-humanist   
   >chooses.   
      
   Change is constant. Every 'born again'   
   was once not 'born again.' Many if not   
   most disbelievers dabbled in belief in   
   their past, some much more than others.   
   Every believer doubts, some much more   
   than others. Every agnostic disbelieves   
   at times, some much more often than   
   others. Every believer, in an honest mo-   
   ment, recognizes they're just as atheistic   
   as any atheist when it comes to every   
   single God other than their own.   
      
   >If the pro-humanist were a happy variant of human, changing others   
   >wouldn't be necessary.   
      
   See the advocacy points above.   
      
   >When one is peaceful or content, unfulfilled   
   >desires and longing are non-existent.   
      
   Peaceful and content aren't constants, not   
   for anyone. Such is the nature of life.   
      
   >You'll never change me.   
      
   You change every second of your life. That's   
   in your nature. As for whatever you're perceiving   
   as inalterable, you may, some day, realize you   
   aren't as inalterable as you seem to now think.   
      
   >You'll never convince me otherwise. You can   
   >endure the suffering and frustration of trying   
   >to do so. Your ongoing frustration is a choice   
   >that you make. Choosing to frustrate the self   
   >is hardly the action of a rational mind. Will you   
   >continue to frustrate yourself and try to convince   
   >me otherwise?   
      
   I find your perspective rather irrational, and   
   whatever you're advocating in your posits   
   regarding peaceful happy non-advocation,   
   I remain unconvinced.   
      
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