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   From: prohumanist@gr8mail.com   
      
   LOVE4ALL-HATRED4NONE wrote in message <1184422148.007531.271310@   
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   >Characteristics contained in the Holy Quran that a true Believer   
   >(a momin) should adopt are:   
   >   
   >1. To believe in the unseen   
      
   I accept that there are many unseen   
   aspects of naturalism, and many un-   
   seeable, like black holes, but logically   
   present by the evidence presented for   
   their existence, and their impact on the   
   seeable.   
      
   As for supernatural posits, it all comes   
   across as derived from ancient 'make   
   believe'.   
      
   >2. To observe prayer   
      
   Anyone can pray to anything, but I think   
   the prayer you're referring to is a subset   
   of the total prayer possible. I find that   
   accepting the naturalistic to be as em-   
   powering as reality allows, and walking   
   on the imaginary side to be both apart   
   from verity and dangerous, as exhibited   
   by islamic terrorists who pray as they mur-   
   der others and as they commit suicide/   
   mass murder.   
      
   >3. To spend in the way of Allah   
      
   I spend in the way of the United States of   
   America, with a substantial part going to   
   the tax man, a substantial part going to stay   
   alive, a modest part going to entertainment   
   and pleasure, a substantial part going to the   
   ex-wife (a part I'm opposed to, but forced   
   to spend).   
      
   >4. To believe in that which was revealed to the Holy   
   >Prophet (may peace and blessings of Allah be on him)   
      
   Anyone can claim to be speaking for Allah,   
   even though your ancient literature said   
   Muhammad was the last guy authorized to   
   do so.   
      
   All that's missing is Allah, for anyone can   
   claim anything when it comes to magic be-   
   ings and places. Many have. See the reli-   
   gious texts without an Allah in them for a   
   clue.   
      
   >5. To believe in that which was revealed before the Holy   
   >Prophet (may peace and blessings of Allah be on him)   
      
   Well, 4 and 5 only differ by the word 'to'   
   being changed to 'before', so see the   
   response to 4 for the response to 5.   
      
   >6. To believe in the Hereafter / what is to come.   
   >[ al-baqra v- 3 to 6]   
      
   I accept the naturalistic end in this life to   
   be the almost certain naturalistic end, but   
   also accept that the desire to live in a   
   pleasant way for a very long time, if not   
   forever, is strong with most of us. I sus-   
   pect that it's that desire, as well as fear,   
   that led to the creation of all the world's   
   religions, including the one you're follow-   
   ing.   
      
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   By the way, do you disagree with islamic   
   terrorism -and- with the islamic scriptures   
   that seem to support/cause that terror?   
      
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