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   brian fletcher to All   
   Re: Existence Is Absolutely Deterministi   
   06 Aug 07 12:57:25   
   
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   From: brianf88@bigpond.net.au   
      
   "Don Stockbauer"  wrote in message   
   news:1186321253.279939.317970@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...   
   > On Aug 5, 8:21 am, "brian fletcher"  wrote:   
   >> "chazwin"  wrote in message   
   >>   
   >> news:1186306947.631444.101290@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...   
   >>   
   >> > On Aug 4, 8:19 pm, sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com wrote:   
   >> >> On Jul 22, 4:00 pm, bdbry...@wherever.ur   
   >> >> (Bobby > In article <1184873139.211531.245...@d55g2000hsg.   
   >>   
   >> SNIP   
   >>   
   >> . We shall   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> >> find that the uncertainty principle will be the key to   
   >> >> performing the double-slit experiment over   
   >> >> astronomical distances, and demonstrating that quantum   
   >> >> effects are not just microscopic phenomena, but can be   
   >> >> extended across the cosmos.   
   >>   
   >> >> .   
   >>   
   >> > QM is simply not explicable in terms as yet used by physics. Thus far   
   >> > physics has failed to correctly note the phenomena and conditions   
   >> > which give rise to QM activity.   
   >> > None of this disproves determinism, it only chllenges the arrongance   
   >> > of physicist who insist that the world is easily determinable. QM   
   >> > phenomena are yet to be understood correctly. Soon enough the   
   >> > boundaries of physics will broaden and the factors which determine QM   
   >> > will eventually be discovered.   
   >>   
   >> Science, on whatever level, cannot explain "itself", from QM to   
   >> Cosmology.   
   >>   
   >> No scientist expects the "knowledge" of everything, only the "theory"   
   >> therof.   
   >>   
   >> The self limitation (and predictability) of "group think"....or   
   >> individual   
   >> think for that` "matter".The mind s attempt to see itself.   
   >>   
   >> There's nothing more predictable than a group of Qantum   
   >> physicists.....but   
   >> one particular one ?   
   >>   
   >> You guessed it. Totally random...as with each of us.   
   >>   
   >> There are no mysteries undiscovered. Just have to transcend past   
   >> validation   
   >> processes   (quantum at work.....being a stepping stone).......   
   >>   
   >> Understandable why scientists often try to debunk genuine mystics. They   
   >> are   
   >> valid in their attempt to do so, because they see contradiction.Within   
   >> and   
   >> from that particular world, totally predictable.   
   >>   
   >> BOfL   
   >   
   > Actually, the world is complex beyond any attempt to explain it, thus   
   > the endless attempts here.   
      
   The details, I agree, but life itself is so astoundingly simple, it boggles   
   the mind.   
      
   BOfL   
   >   
      
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