XPost: alt.philosophy, alt.atheism, alt.agnosticism   
   From: brianf88@bigpond.net.au   
      
   "Uncle Vic"  wrote in message   
   news:Xns9A20EBFD35533vicman@207.115.33.102...   
   > One fine day in alt.atheism, "brian fletcher"    
   > bloodied us up with this:   
   >   
   >>   
   >> "Uncle Vic"  wrote in message   
   >> news:Xns9A20D46C9D963vicman@207.115.33.102...   
   >>> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest"    
   >>> bloodied us up with this:   
   >>>   
   >>>> We are talking living together forever here.   
   >>>   
   >>> I'll agree only if "forever" spans the time our species has and will   
   >>> exist,   
   >>> and is reached through passing on our DNA to future generations.  One   
   >>> person does not live forever.   
   >>>   
   >>>> With much emphasis on "together..."   
   >>>   
   >>> Right, as in "we're all in this together".   
   >>>   
   >>>> How would it be conceivably possible to survive forever and ever...   
   >>>> ...considering all the creating it would require...   
   >>>> ...without an infinite and good Creator somehow running the entire   
   >>>> show?   
   >>>   
   >>> Sorry, your question cannot be answered.  You've used up your share   
   >>> of dots.   
   >>>   
   >>>> Let alone trying to explain how to live with our enemies, forever.   
   >>>   
   >>> Let's just worry about doing that during our normal lifetimes.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Atheism is to do with ones perception/belief regarding God.   
   >>   
   >> Life and all its nuances and manifestations, including the 'ongoing   
   >> nature' (immortality) of an individual has been hijacked by the   
   >> religionists over the years, but has nothing whatever to do with such   
   >> reality.Nor has atheism.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Well, atheism is merely non-theism.  It has nothing to do with anyone's   
   > perception of "God", or any other gods.  It has to do with the lack of   
   > belief in the claims of those who believe in said gods, spirituality, and   
   > everything associated with it/them, including afterlife, worship, rewards   
   > and punishment, sans evidence supporting such claims.   
      
   You are a good example of someone who has been hijacked, the way you bunch   
   all those aspects together.   
      
   To believe there is or isnt is merely speculation. You exist.No belief   
   necessaary.   
    The question of the depth of your knowledge and awareness of self, your   
   existence, has no more to do with religion as it is with science or   
   philosophy.   
      
   Sure, afterlife and the speculation of this area has been religionised, and   
   thats the problem.   
      
   We, as a community, are far more sophisticated than to believe such dogmas,   
   but the "anti belief" can stop the individual searching because of such   
   unneccesary and by definition, unassociated connections.   
      
   "Know thyself" is just as valid today as it ever`was.   
      
   BOfL   
      
      
   > Atheism is the   
   > result of critical thinking applied to spiritual belief.  It is also the   
   > default position given the lack of childhood religious indoctrination.   
   >   
   > --   
   > Uncle Vic   
   > aa Atheist #2011   
   > Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped   
   > chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.   
   > Convicted by Earthquack.   
   >   
   >   
      
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