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From: brianf88@bigpond.net.au
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" wrote in message
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On Jan 10, 9:30 am, "brian fletcher" wrote:
> "Uncle Vic" wrote in message
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> > One fine day in alt.atheism, "brian fletcher"
> > bloodied us up with this:
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> >> "Uncle Vic" wrote in message
> >>news:Xns9A20D46C9D963vicman@207.115.33.102...
> >>> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest"
> >>> bloodied us up with this:
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> >>>> We are talking living together forever here.
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> >>> I'll agree only if "forever" spans the time our species has and will
> >>> exist,
> >>> and is reached through passing on our DNA to future generations. One
> >>> person does not live forever.
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> >>>> With much emphasis on "together..."
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> >>> Right, as in "we're all in this together".
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> >>>> How would it be conceivably possible to survive forever and ever...
> >>>> ...considering all the creating it would require...
> >>>> ...without an infinite and good Creator somehow running the entire
> >>>> show?
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> >>> Sorry, your question cannot be answered. You've used up your share
> >>> of dots.
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> >>>> Let alone trying to explain how to live with our enemies, forever.
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> >>> Let's just worry about doing that during our normal lifetimes.
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> >> Atheism is to do with ones perception/belief regarding God.
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> >> Life and all its nuances and manifestations, including the 'ongoing
> >> nature' (immortality) of an individual has been hijacked by the
> >> religionists over the years, but has nothing whatever to do with such
> >> reality.Nor has atheism.
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> > Well, atheism is merely non-theism. It has nothing to do with anyone's
> > perception of "God", or any other gods. It has to do with the lack of
> > belief in the claims of those who believe in said gods, spirituality,
> > and
> > everything associated with it/them, including afterlife, worship,
> > rewards
> > and punishment, sans evidence supporting such claims.
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> You are a good example of someone who has been hijacked, the way you bunch
> all those aspects together.
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> To believe there is or isnt is merely speculation. You exist.No belief
> necessaary.
> The question of the depth of your knowledge and awareness of self, your
> existence, has no more to do with religion as it is with science or
> philosophy.
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> Sure, afterlife and the speculation of this area has been religionised,
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> thats the problem.
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> We, as a community, are far more sophisticated than to believe such
> dogmas,
> but the "anti belief" can stop the individual searching because of such
> unneccesary and by definition, unassociated connections.
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> "Know thyself" is just as valid today as it ever`was.
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> BOfL
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> > Atheism is the
> > result of critical thinking applied to spiritual belief. It is also the
> > default position given the lack of childhood religious indoctrination.
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> > --
> > Uncle Vic
> > aa Atheist #2011
> > Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
> > chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
> > Convicted by Earthquack.- Hide quoted text -
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The Religionist is honest in the sense that he says: " I believe
my nonsense and I'm proud of it."
The Humanist, on the other hand, tries to pretend he is different
in a better way but he fails every time.
These two are the Twin Towers of Tyranny, to be sure.
***And what of you ?
BOfL
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