XPost: talk.atheism   
   From: prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com   
      
   Tsai_tsai wrote:   
   > Iain  wrote in news:3a72eed3-c8cf-42fa-a5a1-   
   > 5411e6e82e37@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:   
   >   
   >> Another example of the appearence of no free will...   
   >>   
   >> 1. You think you've lost your wallet.   
   >> 2. You search for it. It takes longer than you had hoped.   
   >> 3. You find your wallet.   
   >> 4. You are relieved.   
   >> 5. Then feel panic for about 3 seconds, as if you are still in phase   
   >> 2.   
   >>   
   >> ~Iain   
   >>   
   >   
   > A very clever, very personal example.   
   > My phase 5 is more along the lines of self-beration for not having put   
   > the wallet in its usual place.   
   > Which is in itself a proof of the appearance of free will - since if it   
   > was pre-destined / decided, then wouldn't the wallet have been where it   
   > should have been? (You know, as my automated mind did what it was   
   > supposed to, instead of letting my non-automated mind do what it wants.)   
      
   The wallet WAS where it was supposed to have been. It just wasn't where   
   you USUALLY put it. There's a difference.   
      
   For the main part, we really don't have free will. Do you have free will   
   to not eat when hungry (for any length of time) or not sleep (for days   
   on end?) You're basically just responding to programming, we just don't   
   understand the programming fully. Now there is a TINY allowance for free   
   will in the laws of QM but very tiny. (And no, I'm not saying "you   
   should be able to do anything you want because you don't have free will   
   and even if you kill someone, you should be able to go free because it   
   was 'pre-destined.' You getting put in jail for the murder was ALSO   
   pre-destined based on other people's 'programming.')   
      
      
      
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