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   From: a202010@lycos.com-   
      
   but, here's a parlor trick you may see;   
      
   the contention would be that at Time T = 0   
      
   total universal energy was encapsulated   
   within an infinitesimal 'space'   
      
   and then, in the span of less than 10^(-43) seconds   
      
   thats;   
      
   {0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001} s   
      
      
   a small amount of so-called 'matter//anti-matter'   
   had -formed- with a momentum and therefore a   
   'kinetic energy' which may be described   
   as a 'heat potential'   
      
   you may hear it stated like this somewhere;   
   --   
   "and matter and antimatter existed in almost   
   equal amounts, but they were both dominated   
   by the background energy of the universe."   
   --   
      
   and now;   
      
   -all- of the universal energy can   
   be described as 'heat energy'   
      
   that is, now they may speak of   
   "infinitely large heat content"   
      
   -this- is a parlor trick.   
      
   if you do claim that some infinitesimal   
   amount of matter anti-matter has always existed,   
      
   then this would also have an infinitesimal   
   heat content associated with the momenta   
   of both types of 'particles' and not some   
   infinite heat content.   
      
   and so, it's a parlor trick to convince   
   yourself that 'universal energy' may be   
   reckoned as an 'infinite heat energy'   
      
   given the use of the defining attribution   
   that would ascribe 'heat energy' to the   
   momentum of particles.   
      
   and that, at best, only an infinitesimal amount   
   of this so-called 'matter//anti-matter' -may-   
   have existed which would deliver any momentum   
   which may be described as a heat potential.   
      
   albeit, this so-called "matter//anti-matter"   
   is not quarks and electrons but some sort   
   of precursor formulation that for all practical   
   purposes, has an infinitesimal mass and therefore,   
   no real momentum, or infinitesimal momentum,   
   and we're back to infinitesimal heat potential   
   and not 'infinite heat energy'.   
      
      
   basically, if you don't cite a time at which   
   no matter//anti-matter existed, you lose   
   some reckoning of the process having   
   a 'beginning' you have to cite some   
   phantom repressor technology that   
   holds back the switchover until   
   ca. 14 billion years ago.   
      
   even if one cites a span from   
      
   10^(-150) to 10^(-100) seconds as an actual   
   interval of time, seeing as how we get to   
   speak of infinitessimals here,   
      
   during this 'period' no matter nor anti-matter   
   may be said to exist and therefore, we have   
   no 'heat potential' at all.   
      
   and this would collapse to some sort   
   of reckoning of the state at Time T = 0   
      
   even if you will like to claim that   
   total universal energy is a citable   
   phenomenon, encapsulated within this   
   infinitesimal void, there is no reason   
   to suggest that it is 'infinite heat energy'   
      
   and     there's just no inanimate,   
   metastable trigger to initiate genesis   
      
      
      
      
      
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   > here's your parlor trick;   
   > the contention would be that at Time T = 0   
   > total universal energy was encapsulated   
   > -within- an infinitesimal 'space'   
      
   mind you, in entertaining this   
   notion of universal energy;   
      
   this sort of spacial void for universal energy   
   is not really relevant, because there's no real   
   geographic location to point at and say, "it's all there"   
      
   but, you can point at some small blob of   
   so-called matter//anti-matter and say,   
   "there it is"   
      
   and, as such, assign it its -infinitesimal- heat content.   
      
   so, as opposed to some immense heat blob cooling,   
   you have some situation where some seed of   
   matter//anti-matter accepts a transfer of   
   energy in some form which is converted -to-   
   heat in the form of an increased momentum.   
      
   but there's really no impetus for   
   something like this to ever happen.   
      
   that is, it's very highly implausible that a   
   blob of matter//anti-matter was laying dormant   
   in a sea of universal energy and -not- absorbing   
   energies and being delivered a momentum.   
      
   so, you still get stuck speculating on some   
   state where no matter in any form exists at all.   
      
   or citing some sort of repressor technology.   
      
   like God's hand holding it back.   
      
      
      
      
      
      
   the very fact that there is   
   all this stuff is remarkable.   
      
      
   why is it very 'cold' in the   
   space between the sun and   
   the earth?   
      
   there has to be some thing to   
   'absorb' energy from the light.   
      
   and the light passes off and induces   
   higher frequency harmonic oscillations   
   to the stuff, and this phenomenon is   
   'felt' as warmth or heat.   
      
   but if there is no thing there to absorb   
   the energy from the light the light just   
   passes on thru space and keeps -it's-   
   oscillating frequency basically as constant.   
      
   if the light itself behaved at all as a   
   heated object behaves then light would   
   shove off 'heat' to empty space and 'heat'   
   would simply dissipate from light as it   
   travels thru space and interstellar   
   space would be 'warm'   
      
   but this doesn't happen.   
      
   you can't speak of light   
   as having a 'heat' content.   
      
   the way light can transfer energy   
   is by inducing oscillating frequencies   
   in some 'object' that has an oscillating   
   potential energy state that is the   
   same as that of the light.   
      
   when sunlight makes you feel warm   
   a particular frequency of light is   
   being absorbed by material in your   
   body that has energy levels that   
   are of the same frequency so as   
   experience some induced oscillation.   
      
   long story short   
      
   to speak of infinite heat content in a situation   
   where you cannot point at any object that would   
   present itself to any sort of induced oscillation   
   is unwarranted.   
      
   that is, light itself can be said   
   to be self contained and 'cold'   
      
   there's no tendency for light   
   to dissipate 'heat' into a vacuum.   
      
   like there is a tendency for a heated object   
   to dissipate heat into a surrounding vacuum.   
      
   so, for all practical purposes, in citing   
   this matter//anti-matter blob that increases   
   in momentum, you have to be going from a rather   
   cold situation to a much warmer situation as   
   the blob absorbs energies from the   
   surrounding universal energy.   
      
   like the conduit thru which universal energy   
   could be transformed to universal matter.   
      
   but it has to have a beginning of some sort,   
      
   meaning some time when there was no such   
   matter//anti-matter blob in existance,   
      
   or when such a blob had no momentum and yet,   
   was not being impelled by the surrounding   
   universal energy,   
      
   and still, you are stuck citing a   
   Creator Being to make that happen.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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