XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.god.timothy.sutter, talk.religion.misc   
   From: a202010@lycos.com-   
      
   when you're going -real- fast   
      
   your clocks are going real slow,   
      
   and as you  s l o w   down,   
      
   your clocks begin to speed up,   
      
   but you, as enclosed observer,   
   don't notice the time speeding up,   
      
   and for you, a second 'then'   
   [at light velocity{which may be faster   
   than what we measure here on earth now}]   
   seems indistinguishable from a second 'now'   
   [at terrestrial velocity]   
      
   and yet, the second -then- is much much   
      
   different from the second -now-   
      
      
   there's a consequence to this...   
      
      
      
   so, when you're travelling very fast,   
   your little heart is beating somewhere   
   in the one beat per second range,   
      
   and as you slow down, your heart is still   
   beating in the one beat per second range   
   according to you and your little stop watch,   
      
   and as you come closer to a dead stop, your   
   heart is still beating at roughly one   
   beat per second   
      
   according to you and your   
   own personal stop watch,   
      
   but, as it turns out,   
      
      
   there was someone else on the slow earth   
   timing your heart beats as well,   
      
      
   and at first, when -you- were going very fast,   
   for them [on earth], your heart was beating   
   at nearly one beat per thousand years,   
      
      
   and when you got to earth,   
      
   your heart was beating at roughly one beat per second,   
      
   all according to [their] stop watch.   
      
      
   you never noticed it,   
      
   but [they] did.   
      
   so, you seem to be really really -old- to the generations   
   of people who were on the earth monitoring your heart beat   
      
   but you only saw a day or two tick off   
      
   of your own personal stop watch.   
      
      
      
   so, when i was a photon     [bear with me]   
      
   and i was screaming across the newly developing   
   spacial patterns at speeds far in excess of   
   300000 kilometers per second,   
      
   i managed to get to the newly formulating earth   
   in several days according to my reckoning of time,   
      
   and when i became a man, and i turned myself   
      
   to ascertain how long i had been in transit,   
      
   it -looked- as if i had been travelling   
      
   for several billions of years.   
      
      
      
      
   see, it's sort of like, space itself   
      
   was   s t r e t c h i n g    out with my progression   
      
   and so, it =appeared= as if, i was travelling at speeds   
   which would be calculated as in -excess- of the speed of light,   
   perhaps even a full order of magnitude faster, like 10 or   
   maybe even 100 times the speed of light, as reckoned from   
   the slow moving earth in the fully stretched out spacial domain.   
      
   and as i slowed down, and came to light   
      
   on my blue little habitat...   
      
      
   ... it -looked- like i had been on   
      
   a very long journey, but,   
      
   it didn't really take that long...   
      
      
      
   if you could figure out the 'age'   
   of the calcium in your bones, and you   
   found that the calcium in your bones   
   was much older than the date   
   on your birth certificate   
      
   you may want to change the date   
   on your birth certificate to reflect   
   the age of the calcium in your bones,   
   tne again, you may not,   
      
   because chances are that the calcium   
   in your bones is 'older' than the   
   date reflected on your   
   birth certificate.   
      
      
      
      
      
   because there are pockets of ores   
   scattered throughout the earth,   
      
   it is probable that the earth   
   was never entirely molten at   
   any time it its 'history'   
      
   which is to suggest, for one thing,   
   that the earth is older than the earth,   
   meaning, it seems quite probable that   
   the components which make up the earth   
   are 'older' than the earth itself.   
      
   so, someone asks you;   
      
   "how old is the gold silver and platinum?"   
      
   for one thing, even if you could get a date   
   for the age of the gold silver and platinum   
      
   you could not say that this age reflects   
   the age of the earth because the earth   
   is not a fusion generator and therefore,   
   the gold silver and platinum could not   
   have been produced on the earth as   
   the earth is now.   
      
   bearing in mind that we still suggest   
   that it doesn't look as if the earth   
   was ever entirely molten and so,   
   'melt inclusions' become problematic   
   in assigning 'absolute' age of   
   composition of the earth itself.   
      
   also considering that if a so-called   
   'meteorite' fell to earth in tact and   
   no one saw it fall,   
      
   and someone stumbled onto it later and   
   simply assumed that it was a native stone   
   and they found that this 'meteorite'   
   claimed to be '10000 years old'   
      
   in reality, you'd still have no firm basis   
   in claiming that the age claimed by this   
   stone at all reflected the age of   
   the planet earth any more than you would   
   claim that a hip replacement makes you   
   as old as the materials in the new joint.   
      
      
   you still end up wanting to say,   
   no matter -what- you say, that;   
      
   "the earth is older than the earth"   
      
   so, you get stuck with an earth   
   that seems 'older' than itself   
   and no real way of determining   
   any absolute relationship between   
   formations of component substructures   
   and formation of the planet   
   as it appears today.   
      
   so, even though the calcium   
   in your bones may suggest that -you-   
   are older than the planet itself,   
      
   you'd still be warranted in assigning   
   your 'age' as that reflected on   
   your birth certificate.   
      
      
   if platinum is not formed by   
   any mechanism found on this planet   
      
   then any platinum which is found   
   on this planet is quite possibly   
   older than the planet itself,   
      
   unless, of course, the planet and the platinum   
   came into being in some simultaneous manner.   
      
      
      
      
   it's sort of like,   
      
   if you were sitting in a chair,   
      
   and you were watching a dart   
   travelling at the speed of light,   
      
   a tiny dust mite on the dart would notice   
   a second tick off it's little tiny pocket watch,   
      
   and in -that- time,   
      
   -you- would see nearly 10 days go by.   
      
   yeah, that's not backwards...   
      
   right, supposedly, time at   
   the speed of light slows down   
      
   and time at very slow speeds   
   like sitting in a chair speed up.   
      
   they're sort of inversely related.   
      
   so, 1 second for the fast travelling dustmite,   
      
   is about 10 days for the slow   
      
   travelling person in a chair on earth.   
      
      
      
      
   so, part of what i'm still driving at, is,   
      
   that, if there was some very fast rapido movement   
   going on during the so-called 'first day' of Creation   
      
   when the Almighty stretched out the heavens,   
      
   that 'time' during that 'epoch' was moving rather slowly   
      
   and that viewed through the filter of the 'now'   
      
   meaning, viewed through our very slow pace and speedy time,   
      
   we might see some artifact of the initial rapidity of creation   
      
   in a stretched out -apparent- "local time"   
      
      
   not -just-   
      
   "a day is as a thousand years   
   and a thousand years is as a day"   
      
   but actually, this is really close   
   within the same order of magnitude...   
      
   but still,   
      
   sometimes it depends on who/m you're asking   
      
   you or the speedy dust mite on a dart...   
      
   if that dust mite has been whizzing around   
   from the instance of the onset of genesis,   
      
   it's little clock hasn't really ticked off   
   as much time as we think has been ticked   
   off sitting in our comfy little chairs   
   on the earth...   
      
   but...   
      
   anyway, it's just something to consider.   
      
      
   before, and if i mention some   
      
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