XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.god.timothy.sutter, talk.religion.misc   
   From: a202010@lycos.com-   
      
   see, there's a /detector/ present in the vacuum,   
      
   and that /detector/ itself, is accountable for the   
      
   trace energies that must be 'tared'   
      
   from any subsequent measurement,   
      
   and so, the energy of the /detector/   
      
   is the "zero" for the evacuated system.   
      
      
   very much as if you went to a little balance   
   to weigh out a sample of salt, and you brought   
   a little plastic dish with you and you weighed   
   the dish all by itself first,   
      
   and then weighed out the dish and the salt,   
   and subtracted the weight of the dish,   
   or the 'tare' weight.   
      
   the weight of the dish all by itself   
   becomes your "zero" weight.   
      
   of course now, there are the little balances   
   that have a button on it called the "tare" button,   
      
   and you place your little plastic dish on the   
    balance and press "tare" and the reading shows a 'zero'   
      
      
   that's sort of how the /detector/ is behaving   
      
   in the evacuated system.   
      
   like the dish on the balance...   
      
      
      
   and so, if you really do wanna measure some aspect   
   of the energetics os a system in an evacuated environment,   
      
   you have to take into account, any energies generated   
   by the /detector/ itself, and subtract that off,   
      
   and that energy, of the /detector/ is your "zero"   
      
      
   it doesn't mean that there is some   
      
   mystical energy content to evacuated space...   
      
      
      
   whether there is or not,   
      
   is not substantiated by -that-   
      
      
   but then, "energy" is a nebulous term   
      
   in certain respects...   
      
      
   cuz basically, the only big E energy you   
   know of is married to little m matter,   
      
   and so, if there is "something else"   
   which is not 'matter' then you may not   
   be able to describe any accompanying   
   phenomenon as "energy"   
      
   and 'it' may be truly "something else"   
      
   which is neither matter nor energy but may   
   be the precursor formulation -for- that   
   set of phenomenons   
      
      
   and that's where our "conscious initiator" springs to -action-   
      
      
   no accident at all...   
      
      
      
   so, it's not at all odd that,   
      
   in this sort of situation,   
      
   the /detector/ detects itself.   
      
      
      
   but that when you're down there, practically,   
      
   "in the noise" of =minute= energy systems   
      
   the enrgies you are attempting to study do not   
      
   overwhelm the background energies of the /detector/   
      
   and so, you have to account for -that- and 'tare' it off,   
      
   and that's your zero point.   
      
      
      
   like, when you're running your great big spectrophotometer   
   and looking at gross macromolecular samples, the energies   
   attributable to the detecting system are negligible into   
   a small decimal place,   
      
   but when you're looking at the dynamics of individual atoms,   
   practically speaking, maybe a system of 10 or twelve atoms,   
      
   the energies of the /detector/ are no longer   
   "in the noise" and must be accounted for properly.   
      
      
   so, we still got a universe with a very definite 'beginning'   
      
   and that 'beginning' from no =physical= precursor   
      
   and so, no physical 'accident' system can be properly described   
      
   and so, the =valid= conclusion of =conscious= initiation still holds.   
      
   'we' just don't -live- in a vacuum   
      
   'we' can't pull of "true vacuum" simply   
      
   because we aren't -in- a "true vacuum"   
      
   even if it were to be possible to describe   
      
   such a thing -as- a "true vacumm"   
      
   inasmuch as quite potentially,   
      
   'we' cannot -have- any of this   
      
   material junk -without- "space"   
      
   or more to the point, cannot -have- "empty space"   
      
   that, not only are matter and Energy married,   
      
   but matter/energy and -space- are married.   
      
      
   and so, when 'we' speak of any 'pre-genesis formulation'   
      
   we'd have to be very careful...   
      
      
   to say the least.   
      
      
      
   all that some of 'us' would be suggesting to whomsoever,   
      
   is that, the very real prospect of "consciousness" being mediated   
      
   on and in and around this 'pre-genesis formulation'   
      
   is a =valid= conclusion.   
      
   and so, you get "consciousness" -without- physical =matter=   
      
   and this "conscious initiator" of genesis 'lives' and is 'aware'   
      
   and some form of -communication- is potentially   
      
   available between that "conscious initiator"   
      
   and beings composed -of- this material stuff,   
      
   and that is what some of 'us', if not able   
   to entirely describe in words, -point- at   
   with any method at 'our' disposal.   
      
      
   communication with the initiator of genesis,   
      
      
   and this 'communication' does, in fact, compose   
      
   a =phenomenology= which can be studied and understood.   
      
   maybe =not= a 'physical' phenomenology,   
      
   but a phenomenology nonetheless...   
      
      
   and so, in a sense   
      
   human beings do constitute what amounts to   
      
   an elaborate detection device for and of   
      
   this conscious initiator of genesis   
      
   'who' has or maybe, =had=,   
      
   no =physical= properties.   
      
      
   'we' -are- that device...   
      
      
   as it appears that the unification   
      
   of that initiator and the material phenomenon   
      
   is already underway...   
      
      
   but -that's- another story...   
      
      
   or part of the story,   
      
   another -part- of the story...   
      
      
   so, 'we' really -are- sort of 'strange'   
      
      
   because we're not just devices   
      
      
      
      
      
   there's more...   
      
      
      
      
   and that's where i'd probably start yammering   
      
   about contributions of -these- 'detectors' [us]   
      
   to overall signal, and noise reduction in   
      
   -these- devices because 'we're' sort of   
      
   detector and interpreter and being etc.   
      
    all in one   
      
      
   if 'our' "zero point" is basically pure noise,   
      
   then no real detection is had and it's sort of a dead signal...   
      
      
   but, inasmuch as the "conscious initiator" -is- 'alive'   
      
      
   any communication in and of itself will =enliven=   
      
   'our' detection capabilities and other things of that nature...   
      
      
   and the detections themselves 'feed' the new life...   
      
      
   round and round and round we go...   
      
   operational amplifiers and feedback   
      
   and signal magnifications.   
      
      
      
      "my soul doth =magnify= YHWH"   
      
      
      
      
   so, you want to establish signal,   
      
   reduce noise and magnify the expression   
      
   of the conscious initiator here and now...   
      
      
   and we point at Jesus Christ -as-   
      
   the extreme -focal point- or nexus   
      
   of the various planes of existance.   
      
      
   THE Cross   
      
      
   initiating the 'hybridization'   
      
   bringing -you- me us in full circle.   
      
   to square one   
      
      
      
      
   there's more...   
      
      
   commence   
      
      
   et cetera   
      
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