XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.god.timothy.sutter, talk.religion.misc   
   From: a202010@lycos.com-   
      
   "zero point energy" is not some source of 'unlimited energy'   
      
   which can just be plugged into to make industry operate   
      
      
      
   basically what "zero point energy" describes   
      
   is a -lack- of laboratory 'true' -vacuum- space.   
      
   i.e. in any vacuum attempted in some   
   earthly laboratory, some tiny amount   
   of energy is still present emanating   
   from the container and plates/detectors   
   themselves.   
      
   i.e. "zero point energy" is -not- =zero=   
      
   it is some number.   
      
   it doesn't really say;   
      
   "energy is everywhere,   
   all we have to do is plug into it   
   and we can run out toaster ovens   
   on the 'ethereal' miasma"   
      
   it says;   
      
   "we can't establish a 'true vacuum' in our labs."   
      
   where "true vacuum" is empty space.   
      
   a 'virtual particle' is a =photon= that   
   is ejected from the material formulating   
   the evacuated presence itself   
      
   and this =photon= establishes some of   
   the behavioral qualities of a solid object,   
   or electron type thing.   
      
   i.e. the flip side of the 'wave/particle duality'   
      
   it is a photon which is behaving as particle   
      
   i.e. 'virtual' particle, not -real- particle.   
      
   just like an electron exhibits some   
   wave type behavior with regards to   
   its angular momenta etc...   
      
   basically   
      
      
      
   it's sort of like the detector detecting itself.   
      
   that's the 'zero point energy'   
      
   you have to have some sort of detector   
      
   and when you try to pull a vacuum onnit,   
      
   it, the detector, still detects   
      
   its own energy presence.   
      
   'zero point'   
      
      
   it sure doesn't agree with;   
      
      
   E = mc^2   
      
      
   cuz that would be;   
      
      
   E = 0   
      
      
      
   but you can point at -m- being present   
      
   and not missing in an evacuated system in a laboratory.   
      
      
   if you don't have some sort of detector present,   
      
   then, you'd never know that you   
      
   weren't detecting something.   
      
      
   but, you do have some sort of detector present   
      
   and that detector is the plates themselves,   
      
   and those plates are -m-   
      
   and those plates show a   
      
   'background' energy content.   
      
      
   we aren't -in- a vacuum   
      
   so, it's not odd to detect energy in a laboratory   
      
   etc...   
      
      
      
   "ooh, plates with electricity running through them   
   are mildly attracted to each other..."   
      
   that ain't a vacuum...   
      
      
   ultra-trace of paramagnetism in the plates   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)