XPost: alt.agnosticism   
   From: noone@nowhere.com   
      
   "old man joe"  wrote in message   
   news:03s8655fc3tpfs4269qhscf00kb8msaon6@4ax.com...   
   [snip]   
   >  one can only ' believe ' in God if God first has chosen of His free   
   > will to save... thus, He is the First Cause of the Divine relationship   
   > between Himself and whom He has chosen.  the Bible is replete with   
   > this.   
      
   Its also replete with the contrary view.  You can find support for all sorts   
   of conflicting views in the bible.  You get that with fictional works   
      
   >  otherwise, everyone without exception whom He has not chosen to save   
   > is, as He says, an atheist.  ( Eph. 2:12 )  an atheist, as far as God   
   > and His chosen ones are concerned, is a person passed by for   
   > salvation.  that person goes thru life alienated from the life of God   
   > and is destined to stay in that condition from cradle to grave,   
      
   Hooray for being passed over then.  No silly god-delusions.   
      
   > then   
   > to meet God in Judgement.   
      
   Seeing there is no such thing, it doesn't bother me   
      
   >  the fact that people ridicule such talk only exposes their lost   
   > condition...   
      
   Yay .. I'm glad that I'm free of the delusions you suffer.   
      
   > that's what ' lost ' means... having no clue that God has   
   > passed one by for salvation... a thought way beyond the reach of the   
   > wisest atheist.   
      
   Oh .. I understand the thought .. its not that difficult.  Why, even you can   
   manage to make it.  But that doesn't mean its correct.   
      
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    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)