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   XPost: uk.philosophy.humanism, alt.society.conservatism, alt.society.liberalism   
   From: mlwi@swipnet.se   
      
   "Lance"  skrev i meddelandet   
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   > M Winther wrote:   
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   >> Environmental factors, malnutrition, etc. have been used to   
   >> explain away IQ differences. But massive immigration to the   
   >> Western world to countries like Sweden, where Blacks live   
   >> under no worse conditions than Whites, has discredited this   
   >> idea. In Sweden 25% of Somali kids can't even make it through   
   >> the nine-years school despite attending better  schools than   
   >> Swedish kids, as they get more resources per pupil. There is   
   >> no malnutrition, and they live in good living conditions. More   
   >> than 80% of Somalis are unemployed, according to the latest   
   >> Timbro report. It is time to swallow the bitter pill: ethnic   
   >> groups don't have equal capacities. It is becoming ridiculous   
   >> to defend the egalitarian standpoint.   
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   >> Mats   
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   > Reading your remarks reminded me that this was exactly the sort of   
   > observation (poor performance of children from third world countries   
   > when placed in the schooling system of an advanced country) that   
   > started Reuven Feuerstein's work. For example Feuerstein worked with   
   > the Israeli army trying to integrate children from Morrocan jewish   
   > families into Israel. Feuerstein hypothesised that when Morrocan Jews   
   > arrived in Israel they were basically shepards and were overawed with   
   > the modern state in which they found themselves. This caused them to   
   > withdraw from their children, saying something like, "we have nothing   
   > to offer you in this modern place." But all children need a system of   
   > interpretation (a culture) in order to undertsand the world   
   > hypothesised Feuerstein, and it was this lack of an interpretive   
   > system that was causing the children's retardation. Well feuerstein   
   > set out to remedy the situation and produced perhaps the most   
   > comprehensive remedial education system ever developed.   
   >   
   > If you are interested see   
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   > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuven_Feuerstein   
      
      
   Well, these Somali kids are born in Sweden. They have never been   
   adapted to a shepherd culture.   
      
   Mats   
      
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