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|    M Winther to All    |
|    The foundations of morality (1/2)    |
|    04 Nov 12 16:00:07    |
      XPost: uk.philosophy.humanism, alt.philosophy.debate, aus.politics       XPost: alt.politics.british, us.politics, alt.politics.europe       XPost: alt.politics.europe.misc, uk.politics.misc       From: mlwi@swipnet.se              "The foundations of morality"              Must morality be rooted in the Bible, or more generally, in a worldview       of faith, or does morality depend on "common sense", as is the claim of       "Humanist associations" and atheists of different schools of thought.              It boils down to the conflict between the spiritual worldview and the       ideology of materialistic physicalism, embraced by the atheists. A       scientific worldview cannot take into account moral, spiritual, and       psychological factors, as reality is portrayed without relation to the       human soul. It implies that the scientific paradigm is not quite       adequate as a worldview on its own. For instance, medieval paintings       have a value perspective in which important persons look larger than       others. This is a moral perspective that is equally relevant as the       optical perspective, and it is not a sign that medieval man was       ignorant. Science and faith ought to be viewed as parallel worldviews       that aren't quite self-sustaining, in themselves, and therefore must be       brought to completion by their counterpart.              The medieval painter wasn't realistic in the optical sense, but neither       are today's scientistic materialists realistic in the moral sense.       That's why there is today no morality of the heart. People instead       follow ideological tenets which they have programmed into their heads.       This gives rise to an awkward and hypocritical ethics which is neither       rooted in the heart nor in the instincts. The consequences are very       destructive. For instance, empathy is today viewed as the function by       which you donate money to the poor people of the world, to subsidize the       growth of vegetative and meaningless human life. This is a robotic       definition of empathy. In truth, empathy is the feeling you have for       creatures in your vicinity, including your cat and your pot plants.              The distribution of material resources to people who don't deserve it is       by the atheists viewed as the epitome of goodness, which shows that       physicalism and atheism cannot function as a groundwork of morality. The       moral perspective comes skewed, perverted, and robotic. The       materialistic form of goodness has in the end evil consequences, because       it is not founded in the heart, nor in our natural instincts. It is       merely a product of the intellect. The foremost example is Marxism,       which was created during an epoch in the 19th century when suffering due       to poverty and inhumane working conditions was immense. The appalling       situation was documented by Friedrich Engels and Charles Dickens.              But Marxist goodness was merely a product of the intellect. The ideal of       goodness was "from each according to his ability, to each according to       his needs". Atheists, Socialists and Communists programmed this tenet       into their heads, aiming to do good, but the result was the opposite. It       gave rise to the greatest evil and suffering in world history. Many       people still believe in this tenet in some form. According to the       American Declaration of Freedom, every person should have equal       opportunities to build a good life of their own, but they do not have       the right to have all their needs satisfied, which is a Marxist       doctrine.              As soon as we program ideological tenets into our heads, and stop       listening to our heart, we draw the wrong conclusions. Suddenly we start       thinking that millions of Third World people have the right to immigrate       to our country, and with time take over our country, causing the demise       of our civilization. But if we listen to our heart, we realize that it's       not right to give away our country and undermine the civilization that       we have inherited from our ancestors.              The conclusion is that atheistic morals don't work, because it is based       on mere materialistic premises, just as Marxism.              The biblical creation story is another bone of contention. Richard       Dawkins and the British Humanist Association repudiate it as       unscientific. But it is relevant in the same sense as the value       perspective of the medieval painter. The biblical creation story relates       a truth that is complementary to scientific truth. The creation that       took place before man's emergence on the sixth day, is handled       concisely. It took only a couple of days. The underlying message is that       history only began at the origin of human consciousness, at the day when       we became modern human beings. If the whole timeline is laid down,       mankind only emerges in the last minutes, from a geological perspective.       Although it is historically true, it doesn't relate a truthful picture       of this remarkable event. In a sense, the emergence of human ego       consciousness is a world-creating event. Only at this moment there is       full awareness of creation. Only at this point, when Adam and Eve opened       their eyes, God begins to truly relate to his creation. So, from a       religious perspective, this is where history begins.              What took place before, such as the age of dinosaurs, etc., can't really       compare with the emergence of the human ego, which is the greatest       marvel in the history of the universe. The religious authors had a       different perspective than the mere scientific. What if the earth is the       only place in the universe where an ego-consciousness has developed? It       means that the earth remains at the center of the cosmos, not       geographically but morally. Viewed from this perspective, the biblical       creation story is highly relevant. From the standpoint of faith, history       before man can be summarized as five days of divine creation. The       authors of the Pentateuch conveyed the spiritual truth, since history       only begins at the moment when we become aware of God. So remarkably       important is this event. God sees himself through his relation to man,       and so mankind mirrors God. The notion that man was created in the image       of God relates an important truth. Had they written about the historical       and geological truth, things would get the wrong proportions.              Of course, what perspective you are brought up with is highly relevant       to the moral development of the individual and of society. In certain       quarters of life, the scientific paradigm is unable to give us the right       perspective, and things are given the wrong proportions. What is       insignificant from the perspective of the human soul is blown out of       proportion, whereas what really matters, namely the improvement of the       individual soul, is deemed insignificant by comparison with material       betterment and the maximization of the human population on earth.              That's why the scientific paradigm, despite being a success story, is       deficient. In the end, it must be complemented by a spiritual paradigm       that sees things differently. It should be possible for the two       paradigms to exists side by side, if they both give up their ambition of              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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