XPost: alt.atheism, alt.agnosticism, sci.skeptic   
   XPost: alt.christnet   
   From: me@nothere.biz   
      
   On 01-July-2014 9:00 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:   
      
   > On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 18:47:04 -0600, BruceS    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 06/29/2014 06:51 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:   
   >>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 18:54:23 -0600, BruceS    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 06/26/2014 01:06 PM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:   
   >>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:19:28 +1000, felix_unger    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 25-June-2014 2:02 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:   
   >>>>>>> once a person is an atheist that person will always be an atheist.   
   >>>>>> untrue   
   >>>>> I guess you know because you are an atheist?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> YOU HAVE NO IDEA you little fucking gimp. You dont know what it is   
   >>>>> like to know the truth. You dont know what it is like to realize that   
   >>>>> you have been lied to by most people for your entire life. You dont   
   >>>>> know what it is like then the people come to your door trying to sell   
   >>>>> god and you cant help but feel so sorry for them for being such   
   >>>>> idiots.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> No you will never know what it is like because your mind wiill never   
   >>>>> be opend to what the world is really like. You will never know because   
   >>>>> your brain just is not able to understand the truth   
   >>>> I have to agree with Felix on this one.  I've known atheists who became   
   >>>> religious, nearly always Christian.  I had a HS friend who was no more   
   >>>> interested in invisible sky monkeys than I was; more focused on scoring   
   >>>> some weed and getting high.  After we graduated and went our separate   
   >>>> ways, he seemed to keep "the faith" for a while, but then one vacation   
   >>>> he had become "saved" and talked about little but Jesus   
   >>> just because a person is not a practicing theist does not make them   
   >>> atheist or agnostic even. If a person can not say with 100% clarity   
   >>> that they know that there is no god that there will never be a god and   
   >>> there has never been a god, then that person is NOT an atheist.   
   >> You seem to be arguing for theists' definition of "atheist".  Under that   
   >> definition, I'm not an atheist, but I'm not sure what you'd call me.  I   
   >> define myself as an atheist because I have no belief in any gods.   
   > so are you trying to say that you can not state that there is no god   
   > at all? if you can not say that then no you are not an atheist, at   
   > least not in my opinion. You have said that you have no "belief in   
   > god", but do you "know" that god does not exist.   
   >   
   >   And every theist has in thier own mind what atheist means but when it   
   > comes down to it the meaning is simple. Atheist = no gods. and that is   
   > it. You can further define it as  a lack of belief in any gods.   
   > However you have stated you have no belief in gods so that would mean   
   > you are an atheist. So why cant you say "there are no gods"?   
   >   
   > saying you have no belief is the exact same thing   
      
   an atheist is simply someone who does not believe in God. (or gods if   
   you want) It's that simple. knowledge does not come into it.   
      
   >> You seem to make a lot of assumptions about the beliefs and motives of   
   >> other people.  I suggest that you do so at great risk of being wrong   
   >> most of the time.   
   > Not making assumptions, just stating observations.   
      
   observations are based on fact. you make assumptions. you have made so   
   many about me, which if they were all printed out they would defoliate   
   at least 50% of the world's forests, and create massive an irreversible   
   climate change, ultimately resulting in the annihilation of all human   
   life on earth.!   
      
   >   
   >> No, I agree with Felix because he denies a somewhat ludicrous   
   >> generalization you've made.  If you look around, you'll see that I   
   >> disagree with him more.   
   > Thing is FELIX "believes" in magin and tinkerbell and santa claus and   
   > devils and demons  and ogers and goblins and ghosts and superman and   
   > green lantern and humpty dumpty..... Can you really say you agree   
   > wiith felix about anything at all?   
      
   case in point. and of course he can, because unlike you, but like me,   
   he's both sensible and rational   
      
      
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