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   On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 18:00:47 -0500, monkey wrote:   
   .   
   >On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 18:47:04 -0600, BruceS    
   >wrote:   
   >   
   >>On 06/29/2014 06:51 AM, monkey wrote:   
   >>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 18:54:23 -0600, BruceS    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 06/26/2014 01:06 PM, monkey wrote:   
   >>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:19:28 +1000, felix_unger    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 25-June-2014 2:02 AM, monkey wrote:   
   >>>>>>> once a person is an atheist that person will always be an atheist.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> untrue   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I guess you know because you are an atheist?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> YOU HAVE NO IDEA you little fucking gimp. You dont know what it is   
   >>>>> like to know the truth. You dont know what it is like to realize that   
   >>>>> you have been lied to by most people for your entire life. You dont   
   >>>>> know what it is like then the people come to your door trying to sell   
   >>>>> god and you cant help but feel so sorry for them for being such   
   >>>>> idiots.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> No you will never know what it is like because your mind wiill never   
   >>>>> be opend to what the world is really like. You will never know because   
   >>>>> your brain just is not able to understand the truth   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I have to agree with Felix on this one.  I've known atheists who became   
   >>>> religious, nearly always Christian.  I had a HS friend who was no more   
   >>>> interested in invisible sky monkeys than I was; more focused on scoring   
   >>>> some weed and getting high.  After we graduated and went our separate   
   >>>> ways, he seemed to keep "the faith" for a while, but then one vacation   
   >>>> he had become "saved" and talked about little but Jesus   
   >>>   
   >>> just because a person is not a practicing theist does not make them   
   >>> atheist or agnostic even. If a person can not say with 100% clarity   
   >>> that they know that there is no god that there will never be a god and   
   >>> there has never been a god, then that person is NOT an atheist.   
   >>   
   >>You seem to be arguing for theists' definition of "atheist".  Under that   
   >>definition, I'm not an atheist, but I'm not sure what you'd call me.  I   
   >>define myself as an atheist because I have no belief in any gods.   
   >   
   >so are you trying to say that you can not state that there is no god   
   >at all? if you can not say that then no you are not an atheist, at   
   >least not in my opinion. You have said that you have no "belief in   
   >god", but do you "know" that god does not exist.   
      
       Neither do you. You may honestly be so stupid that you think you could have   
   somehow found out, but that means you're so stupid you believe you did even   
   though you have no clue at all how you or anyone else possibly could have.   
      
   > And every theist has in thier own mind what atheist means but when it   
   >comes down to it the meaning is simple. Atheist = no gods. and that is   
   >it. You can further define it as  a lack of belief in any gods.   
   >However you have stated you have no belief in gods so that would mean   
   >you are an atheist. So why cant you say "there are no gods"?   
   >   
   >saying you have no belief is the exact same thing   
      
       LOL!!!! Even grade school children can understand that they are NOT the   
   same   
   thing. Could you really be so stupid that you can't?   
      
   >>> That person either has fears that there may actually be a heaven and a   
   >>> hell or that person is just to embarassed to say they believe or   
   >>> perhaps that person just wants attnetion so they act like they are   
   >>> atheist or agnostic even just to have thier desires met   
   >>   
   >>No to all of that.  I have no fear of magical places for living after   
   >>death, or anything like that, and am not at all embarrassed to say I   
   >>have no firm beliefs regarding magic, including gods.  I lack belief in   
   >>gods.  In my opinion, that makes me an atheist.  If I wanted attention,   
   >>I'd do better by pretending to belief.   
   >>   
   >>> . If they fear the heaven or hell thing then there are a closet theist   
   >>> and they actually do have a belief in a god purely out of fear,   
   >>> chances are though they will never admit that   
   >>   
   >>You seem to make a lot of assumptions about the beliefs and motives of   
   >>other people.  I suggest that you do so at great risk of being wrong   
   >>most of the time.   
   >   
   >Not making assumptions, just stating observations.   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >>>>   At first I   
   >>>> thought he was pulling my leg, but he was serious.  A few months later   
   >>>> he had regained his sense, but later still had a relapse.  He's not the   
   >>>> only one I've known to suddenly embrace irrationality and superstition,   
   >>>> just the one who came to mind first.  Many people who go through life as   
   >>>> atheists suddenly start one or another form of "spiritualism" when faced   
   >>>> with their own mortality.  I've been appalled at the mental lapses shown   
   >>>> merely from taking an abstract reality and bringing it to the   
   >>>   
   >>> That is a prime example of a closet theist. Those kind of people even   
   >>> like to call themselves agnostic for example "%" that comes here is   
   >>> like that. After it is all said and done though he is a theist purely   
   >>> our of fear and lack of education or perhaps even the wrong kind of   
   >>> education   
   >>>   
   >>> If a person has enough forethough so say GOD DOES NOT EXIST and know   
   >>> alll the reasons why then that person is an atheist. IF a person says   
   >>> they are atheist just ask them why and if they can not give you a   
   >>> rather detailed answer then chances are that person is not an atheist   
   >>   
   >>You have a dictionary failure.   
   >   
   >why would you say that? I dont understand how that relates to if a   
   >person is artheist or not.   
   >   
   >Tell me bruce Why are you an atheist?   
   >>   
   >>>> foreground.  When I went through my own little dance with Mr. D, I found   
   >>>> no more urge to religion than before, but apparently many people deal   
   >>>> with their fear of imminent death by believing in some system that   
   >>>> allows them to live forever.   
   >>> religon really doesnt have alot to do with if a person is a theist or   
   >>> not.   
   >>> just ask yourself can you say will complete honesty that there is no   
   >>> god.   
   >>> I can......"THERE IS NO GOD NEVER HAS THERE EVER BEEN A GOD AND THERE   
   >>> WILL NOT EVER BE A GOD mainly because the idea of a god is an   
   >>> imposibility in this universe and because I dont believe in faries or   
   >>> magic."   
   >>>   
   >>> some people have experienced death  and does not have   
   >>> that fear of an afterlife.   
   >>   
   >>Please excuse my skepticism that you have actually experienced death.   
   >   
   >I dont care if you are able to believe me or not.   
      
       There's no reason for anyone to believe you. But knowing that you're a   
   blatant liar gives people reason NOT TO believe you.   
      
   >I mean can you say   
   >that anyone has ever experienced death? can you say that if a persons   
   >heart stops then they are dead? what if they just stop breathing? what   
      
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