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   On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 09:02:11 +1000, felix_unger  wrote:   
   .   
   >On 03-July-2014 1:27 AM, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >> On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:11:45 +1000, felix_unger  wrote:   
   >> ..   
   >>> On 27-June-2014 6:59 AM, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:19:28 +1000, felix_unger  wrote:   
   >>>> ..   
   >>>>> On 25-June-2014 2:02 AM, monkey wrote:   
   >>>>>> once a person is an atheist that person will always be an atheist.   
   >>>>> untrue   
   >>>>       He has no clue what he thinks he's trying to talk about the vast   
   majority of   
   >>>> the time, if ever. I don't recall him ever having a clue.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>       I tried being a strong atheist for a short while years ago when I   
   first   
   >>>> realised that things might have been able to develop as they did without   
   the aid   
   >>>> of deliberate influence, but it didn't take very long before I figured   
   out that   
   >>>> was the most stupid of possible positions so I gave up trying to cling to   
   it.   
   >>>>   From there I started trying to think realistically about how God could   
   exist,   
   >>>> and about why things would be as they are if he does. Those are a couple   
   of the   
   >>>> starting lines these people will never get as "far" as.   
   >>> there's no need to believe anything about what is not known to be   
   >>> true/fact.   
   >>      We all form some degree of belief about things that are not known.   
   >   
   >yes, you're right but mostly those 'beliefs' would be considered   
   >opinions, I would suggest. but I really should have said, and what I   
   >meant to say, is that there is no need to believe as fact what is not   
   >known to be fact-   
      
       It's common knowledge even amoung most atheists that it's not possible to   
   know if God does not exist, which is probably why so many of them are ashamed   
   of   
   their belief that he does not. They want to have that belief, act on it by   
   being   
   insulting to the idea that God does exist, and still pretend they have no   
   belief   
   all at the same time. A very stupid position.   
      
   >like billy_goat for example who says he knows God does   
   >not exist.   
      
       His is the most stupid position of all, but I consider him to be the most   
   stupid person I've encountered in over a decade of participating in ngs, and   
   one   
   of the most dishonest. With him my guess is he is often more stupid than   
   dishonest though, which is not true with most of these people. Usually from my   
   pov most of these people are more dishonest than they are stupid and don't   
   really believe a lot of the stupid things they claim.   
      
   >>> just keep an open mind.   
   >>      Atheists are the most closed minded that it's possible to be, yet they   
   >> hilariously like to consider themselves as open minded. What could be a   
   better   
   >> example of being closed minded than to put faith in the one possibility   
   that God   
   >> does not exist?   
   >>   
   >>> but I agree, they don't want to consider other possibilities.   
   >>      No they don't, and they can't. Yet they dishonestly try to pretend   
   they can   
   >> by claiming to have no belief. They can consider the possibility that God   
   >> doesn't exist but can't consider the possibility that he does. That means   
   only   
   >> the one possibility enters their tiny little minds leaving them with only   
   the   
   >> one possible belief. Do you think any of them are honestly stupid enough to   
   >> really believe they have no belief even considering the facts I just pointed   
   >> out? Or do you think they're really not that stupid but are being   
   deliberately   
   >> dishonest about it?   
   >   
   >dishonest and running scared from the idea that God may exist. that's   
   >how I see it. why else would they want to insist there's no evidence for   
   >God?   
      
       Maybe they think that if God does exist they'll be able to fool him when   
   the   
   time comes, and be able to successfully plead their own innocence? Most of them   
   besides monkey probably are also aware it can't be known if God does not exist.   
   They might not be able to comprehend why, but it's such common knowledge most   
   of   
   them are probably aware of it. Monkey doesn't seem to have any real   
   understanding of anything....whatever he thinks at a particular time is all   
   he's   
   aware of, not being able to think things through enough to comprehend how he   
   thinks he disagrees with himself about a conflicting thought he had at another   
   time.   
      
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