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   On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 01:21:07 -0600, BS wrote:   
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   >On 07/04/2014 04:57 PM, felix_unger wrote:   
   >   
   >> the only point I make, that I have ever tried to make, is that there is   
   >> evidence for God. you can say it's just evidence that ppl believe in   
   >> God/gods if you wish, but that's not true. all of those things I   
   >> mentioned that you don't believe in are evidence for God, not just   
   >> evidence of belief. the bible stories about Jesus are evidence for   
   >> Jesus, not just what someone believes. any prayer that is claimed to   
   >> have been answered is evidence that prayer is answered, not just that   
   >> ppl believe in answered prayer. every miracle that is said to have   
   >> happened is evidence for miracles, and not that ppl believe in miracles.   
   >> all I'm talking about here is evidence, not proof.   
   >   
   >No, they just aren't.   
      
       Obviously they are, so what do you think you could possibly gain by lying   
   about that when he has made it clear that he doesn't believe your lies? Do you   
   think you can make him suddenly unlearn about the evidence he points out for   
   you, if you lie to him about it often enough? For him to think you might at   
   some   
   point eventually be able to learn is likely to be an overestimation on his part   
   of your mental ability, but for you to think you could eventually cause him to   
   unlearn if you keep lying to him enough is just plain stupidity on your part.   
   He's not going to unlearn about the evidence he points out for you, and he's   
   not   
   going to unlearn that you lie about it for whatever reason you keep lying. We   
   would both like to learn WHY you keep lying about it, but we also both know   
   you'll never be able to say why you keep lying about.   
      
   >These stories are evidence that people wrote the   
   >stories, and their popularity and the seriousness with which some people   
   >treat them is evidence that some people believe the stories.  No story   
   >is evidence of its own truth.  And no, we're not looking for proof, just   
   >any actual evidence.   
      
       God might not exist. If he doesn't, then all the evidence which you lie   
   about is false evidence. Every bit of it.   
      
       God might exist. If so then he is obviously not ready to provide whatever   
   sort of evidence you keep whining for. But you DO keep whining for it, so try   
   to   
   explain what you want people to think YOU think if you have any clue at all.   
   Try   
   to explain WHAT sort of evidence you think there "should be", WHERE you think   
   it   
   "should be", and WHY you think it "should be" to God's benefit for him to   
   provide us with it if he exists.   
      
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