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   On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 00:08:59 -0400, Olrik  wrote:   
   .   
   >Le 2014-07-08 12:02, mur@.not. a écrit :   
   >> On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 23:42:38 -0400, Olrik  wrote:   
   >> .   
   >>> Le 2014-07-02 11:24, mur@.not. a écrit :   
   >>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 23:54:57 -0400, Olrik  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Le 2014-06-26 16:59, mur@.not. a écrit :   
   >>>>>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 23:30:27 -0400, Olrik  wrote:   
   >>>>>> .   
   >>>>>>> Le 2014-06-24 11:05, mur@.not. a écrit :   
   >>>>>>>>         For how long have atheists been begging for and demanding   
   "evidence" of   
   >>>>>>>> God's existence? For quite a while, we know that. Yet when challenged   
   to try to   
   >>>>>>>> explain WHAT sort of evidence they think "should be" where, they   
   can't even   
   >>>>>>>> address the challenge. When challenged to explain WHERE the supposed   
   evidence   
   >>>>>>>> "should be" they again are helpless. When challenged to explain WHY   
   it "should   
   >>>>>>>> be" to God's benefit to provide us with it AGAIN they have no clue at   
   all what   
   >>>>>>>> they think they think, or even what they want other people to think   
   they think   
   >>>>>>>> they think. It is certainly a sad sad thing that within this entire   
   group of   
   >>>>>>>> atheists none of their small minds can answer these questions, nor   
   can they as a   
   >>>>>>>> group figure out what they think they're trying to talk about. Why is   
   it sad?   
   >>>>>>>> Because it would be interesting to learn what they thought they were   
   trying to   
   >>>>>>>> talk about IF they had any idea themselves. We've seen that they   
   don't.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> It looks like you're asking us to provide you with an excuse *not* to   
   >>>>>>> believe in «god».   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>        It's not unreasonable to want to know what sort of evidence   
   people think   
   >>>>>> there should be, or where they think it should be, or why they think it   
   should   
   >>>>>> be to God's benefit to provide it. They just don't have any idea. The   
   failure   
   >>>>>> isn't in asking them what they think there should be...the failure is   
   in them   
   >>>>>> having no idea what they think there should be. Especially since it's   
   obvious   
   >>>>>> that if God does exist he doesn't feel that it's best to provide proof   
   that he   
   >>>>>> does. Yet! Maybe at some other points in time. Maybe he felt is was   
   good to   
   >>>>>> provide proof enough for people to write cannonical texts centuries   
   ago, and   
   >>>>>> possibly more proof at some point in the future, but not at the present   
   time. In   
   >>>>>> fact if he does exist it seems fairly obvious that that's how it is. So   
   it's not   
   >>>>>> unreasonable to ask people how they think it should be different   
   instead. They   
   >>>>>> just don't have any idea how they think it should be different instead,   
   and   
   >>>>>> they're all consistently proving it.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The way I see it, that «god» thingy can do whatever it wants. Including   
   >>>>> whatever anyone would want it to do.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>       If you believe that if God actually does exist you believe he   
   "should" do   
   >>>> whatever you ask him to do, immediately, and every time you ask him to do   
   >>>> something, then say so directly so we can quote you on it. If you think it   
   >>>> "should be" some variation of that then try explaining how.   
   >>>   
   >>> Theists of all creeds think they know how their «INSERT DEITY NAME»   
   >>> works, thinks, should say, should do, or whatever.   
   >>   
   >>      So you have no idea how you think things should be different if God   
   exists.   
   >   
   >It depends on the definition of that «god» thing.   
   >   
   >If your «god» existed, life would me like a Harry Potter book.   
   >   
   >Think about it.   
      
       To me it would be like it is if he wanted to allow us to have freedom of   
   thought and not be like slaves to him. It would be nothing like a Harry Potter   
   book or humans would be slaves to magic and God and whatever else. If he exists   
   and wants things to be as they are, which seems most likely, then they would be   
   as they are. It's amusing, but also pathetic, that such an easy and logical   
   concept is incomprehensible to you people. You just can't comprehend how Earth   
   could possibly be as it is if God really does exist. Just describing the   
   position you people are in is very amusing, but very pathetic as well.   
      
   >> You don't have any idea what evidence you think there should be, or anything   
   >> like that. None of you have any idea what you think you're trying to talk   
   about.   
   >>   
   >>> It's all crapola to the Nth degree.   
   >>   
   >>      All you have to go on is a guess you have no support for, and no   
   evidence   
   >> that it's correct.   
   >>   
      
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