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   From: markp@NOSPAMmail.com   
      
   On 8/6/2014 7:51 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:   
   > On 7/08/2014 4:54 AM, James wrote:   
   >> Sylvia Else    
   >>> On 5/08/2014 5:25 AM, James wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> Reason on this hypothetical situation. Set a model car kit (with all   
   >>>> the pieces disconnected) and the glue, and paint, out in the elements   
   >>>> for millions of years, in the wind, cold and heat, bad storms,   
   >>>> earthquakes (if in a zone), animals and microorganisms, etc. Do you   
   >>>> logically believe that in all that time, those parts would eventually   
   >>>> come together by random forces to put a painted model car together?   
   >>>   
   >>> Not the wouldn't.   
   >>>   
   >>>> It   
   >>>> should be easier to make that car. than the complexities of the   
   >>>> 'simple' cell.   
   >>>   
   >>> Ah - wait - they're not the same kind of thing. For your example to make   
   >>> any kind of sense, you'd have to posit that the car parts, glue, etc.   
   >>> are capable of reproducing themselves, but that they occasionally make   
   >>> mistakes in reproduction, and those mistakes are carried on by the   
   >>> offspring.   
   >>   
   >> Darwin's first cell was not reproduced by anything. It allegedly all   
   >> came together in a primordial 'soup'. (at least that is what they tell   
   >> us) Have you ever looked at what is involved in a so-called simple   
   >> cell? I couldn't hardly believe it when I looked into it. Just check   
   >> out all the stuff that makes up a 'simple' cell.   
   >   
   Another creationist lie. Darwin did not deal with abiogenesis. He did   
   not write about a first cell.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> But what are the odds that it all came together by random chance? For   
   >> example, we have within us protein molecules, which are necessary for   
   >> our life processes. What are the odds that 1 protein molecule would   
   >> randomly form out of a primitive organic "soup"? Evolutionists admit   
   >> that it would be about 1 in 10 to the 113th power. (1 followed by 113   
   >> zeros). According to mathematicians, any event that has just one   
   >> chance in 10 to the 50th power (1 followed by 50 zeros) is dismissed   
   >> as never happening. To get a sense of that number with 113 zeros, it   
   >> would be greater than the estimated total number of all the atoms in   
   >> the universe.   
   >   
   Please provide the names of some evolutionists who admit what you claim.   
      
   According to mathematicians, such an event would likely take place once   
   every 10^50 opportunity. Same thing with 10^113 power.   
      
   Has a creationist ever told the truth about anything?   
   >   
   > All that was required was the chance appearance of a molecule that was   
   > capable of copying itself. Once you have that, everything else can be   
   > produced by evolution. There's no requirement for the random appearance   
   > of a complete cell.   
   >   
   > Sylvia.   
   >   
      
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