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   On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:38:03 -0700, Bob Casanova continued to wuss horribly and   
   horribly dishonestly:   
   .   
   >On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:38:38 -0400, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 10:18:34 -0700, Bob Casanova wussed horribly:   
   >>.   
   >>>On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 15:22:07 -0400, mur@.not. challenged the horrible   
   wusses:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 10:25:29 -0700, Bob Casanova wussed horribly:   
   >>>>.   
   >>>>>On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:54:19 -0400,  mur@.not. challenged the horrible   
   wusses:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 10:23:51 -0700, Bob Casanova wussed horribly:   
   >>>>>>.   
   >>>>>>>On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 17:34:26 -0400, mur@.not. challenged the horrible   
   wusses:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 11:06:26 -0700, Bob Casanova wussed horribly:   
   >>>>>>>>.   
   >>>>>>>>>On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 10:50:05 -0400, mur@.not. challenged the horrible   
   wusses:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 10:56:28 -0700, Bob Casanova wussed horribly:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 14:50:31 -0400, mur@.not. challenged the   
   horrible wusses:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>When challenged directly and specifically about the supposed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>evidence they think should exist...   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>It's up to the claimant (that's you) to provide the evidence   
   >>>>>>>>>>>to support the claim. Provide the evidence you think you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>have and we can discuss it; it's *your* responsibility to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>support your contention. *You* think you have evidence;   
   >>>>>>>>>>>*you* provide it.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>    Then why isn't it up to the atheist to explain WHAT he thinks   
   he's trying to   
   >>>>>>>>>>talk about?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>Because it's up to the claimant (that's you) to provide the   
   >>>>>>>>>evidence to support the claim.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>    The claim is that none of you have any idea what you think you're   
   trying to   
   >>>>>>>>talk about when you demand evidence of God's existence, and every one   
   of you has   
   >>>>>>>>provided proof that what I pointed out is correct. My claim has been   
   proven true   
   >>>>>>>>by ALL OF YOU.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Sorry, but no;   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    That's a blatant lie.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Sorry, but no   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    That's a repeat of the desperately blatant lie which proves that none   
   of you   
   >>>>have any idea what you think you're trying to talk about when you demand   
   >>>>evidence,   
   >>>   
   >>>Yes, it is   
   >>   
   >>    Every one of you continues to prove me correct, consistently.   
   >>   
   >>>>and can't even pretend you do. Repeating the desperate lie is proof   
   >>>>that you're ashamed of your position, as you certainly should be.   
   >>...   
   >>>your attempt to shift the goalposts   
   >>>away from your claim that evidence exists in support of the   
   >>>existence of a deity.   
   >>   
   >>    You're lying blatantly when you try to pretend I haven't pointed out   
   some of   
   >>the evidence.   
   >   
   >No, I'm not.   
      
       That's a blatant lie.   
      
   >You haven't;   
      
       That's a blatant lie.   
      
   >you've only done the same as you   
   >do below. None of what you cite is evidence.   
      
       That's three blatant lies.   
      
   >>As I've pointed out for you before life itself is evidence.   
   >   
   >No, it isn't.   
      
       It sure is and even IF some day humans figure out how to produce life from   
   lifeless material it might STILL REMAIN the evidence that it always has been.   
      
   >The existence of something isn't evidence for   
   >how it came to exist.   
      
       You have no evidence that it just happened by accident, or even that it   
   could have.   
      
   >>All   
   >>accepted miracles are evidence. All miracles recorded in the Bible are   
   evidence.   
   >   
   >There are none,   
      
       That's a HORRIBLY blatant lie. What did you think you could possibly gain   
   by   
   telling such and horribly stupid and horribly blatant lie as that???   
      
   >and nothing in the Bible (or the Vedas, or   
   >the Koran) is evidence of anything but the fact that someone   
   >wrote a story.   
      
   >>All saints are evidence.   
   >   
   >No, they aren't;   
      
       That's another blatant lie.   
      
   >saints are proclaimed by the church, which   
   >is an organization of humans, not deities.   
      
       The things required in order for someone to be considered a saint are   
   evidence of God's existence and his influence on them.   
      
   >>Atheists are evidence.   
   >   
   >No, they aren't.   
      
       Yes they are. YOU are. Not only because life itself is, but also because   
   your dependence on and obvious comfort with using blatant dishonesty so stupid   
   it makes no sense for anyone to think they could gain anything by telling such   
   obvious lies, is evidence of God's existence by being evidence of Satan's   
   existence and influence on your pathetic weak mind. The same is true of all   
   your   
   blatantly dishonest brethren, all of you being evidence of Satan's influence in   
   your lives. The Bible and Koran both mention it too, which is MORE evidence of   
   God's existence because of atheists.   
      
   >And that is as stupid an assertion as I've   
   >ever seen from you, and that's saying something.   
   >   
   >>All medical miracles are   
   >>evidence.   
   >   
   >No, they aren't.   
      
       That's just another horribly blatant lie, which is evidence of Satan's   
   influence on your tiny stupid mind. Unless you can explain what you think you   
   could gain by telling such a stupid and blatant lie, and even IF you can try to   
   explain--which I seriously doubt you can--it will probably STILL remain   
   evidence   
   of Satan's influence on your weak little brain.   
      
   >"Miracles" is hyperbole.   
   >   
   >>All prayers that seem to have been answered are evidence.   
   >   
   >No, they aren't;   
      
       That's yet another blatant lie which is so blatantly stupid there's no good   
   apparent reason for anyone to ever stoop to telling. You didn't fool me by   
   telling it, or anyone else that's aware of what I pointed out for you.   
      
   >"seem to have" isn't synonymous with   
   >"were",   
      
       Which is why they are evidence and not proof. It seems even an atheist   
   should be able to comprehend that much, but apparently you can't comprehend it.   
      
   >and no objective evaluation has ever shown more than   
   >chance.   
   >   
   >>But you   
   >>don't like the evidence I point out for you You lie that it's not evidence,   
   and   
   >>then even more conteptibly and childishly lie that I never presented it,   
   because   
   >>you are a horrible wuss.   
   >   
   >That's because it's not evidence   
      
       No, it's because you are a horrible wuss who is very comfortable with   
   dishonesty, making yourself evidence of God's existence by being evidence that   
   Satan is influencing your pathetic puny mind.   
      
   >; it's opinion and hearsay.   
      
       Lying that evidence is not evidence is opinion and desperate blatant   
   dishonesty.   
      
   >Now, how about some actual evidence, the kind that any   
   >objective observer would accept.   
      
       So NOW AGAIN I challenge your horrible wuss ass to try to explain WHAT sort   
   of evidence you think there "should be", WHERE you think it "should be", and   
   WHY   
   you think it "should be" to God's benefit for him to provide us with it if he   
   exists. And you will again NECESSARILY be defeated by that challenge because   
   you   
      
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