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   On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 18:16:29 -0600, Wisely Non-Theist  wrote:   
   .   
   >On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 18:50:32 -0400, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 10:50:44 -0700, Bob Casanova  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:31:50 -0400, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:38:03 -0700, Bob Casanova continued to wuss   
   horribly and   
   >>>>horribly dishonestly:   
   >>>>.   
   >>>>>On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:38:38 -0400, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 10:18:34 -0700, Bob Casanova wussed horribly:   
   >>>>>>.   
   >>>>>>>On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 15:22:07 -0400, mur@.not. challenged the horrible   
   wusses:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 10:25:29 -0700, Bob Casanova wussed horribly:   
   >>>>>>>>.   
   >>>>>>>>>On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:54:19 -0400,  mur@.not. challenged the   
   horrible wusses:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 10:23:51 -0700, Bob Casanova wussed horribly:   
   >>>>>>>>>>.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 17:34:26 -0400, mur@.not. challenged the   
   horrible wusses:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 11:06:26 -0700, Bob Casanova wussed horribly:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 10:50:05 -0400, mur@.not. challenged the   
   horrible wusses:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 10:56:28 -0700, Bob Casanova wussed horribly:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 14:50:31 -0400, mur@.not. challenged the   
   horrible wusses:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When challenged directly and specifically about the supposed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>evidence they think should exist...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's up to the claimant (that's you) to provide the evidence   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to support the claim. Provide the evidence you think you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have and we can discuss it; it's *your* responsibility to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>support your contention. *You* think you have evidence;   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*you* provide it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Then why isn't it up to the atheist to explain WHAT he   
   thinks he's trying to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>talk about?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>Because it's up to the claimant (that's you) to provide the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>evidence to support the claim.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>    The claim is that none of you have any idea what you think   
   you're trying to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>talk about when you demand evidence of God's existence, and every   
   one of you has   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>provided proof that what I pointed out is correct. My claim has   
   been proven true   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>by ALL OF YOU.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>Sorry, but no;   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>    That's a blatant lie.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>Sorry, but no   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>    That's a repeat of the desperately blatant lie which proves that   
   none of you   
   >>>>>>>>have any idea what you think you're trying to talk about when you   
   demand   
   >>>>>>>>evidence,   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Yes, it is   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    Every one of you continues to prove me correct, consistently.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>and can't even pretend you do. Repeating the desperate lie is proof   
   >>>>>>>>that you're ashamed of your position, as you certainly should be.   
   >>>>>>...   
   >>>>>>>your attempt to shift the goalposts   
   >>>>>>>away from your claim that evidence exists in support of the   
   >>>>>>>existence of a deity.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    You're lying blatantly when you try to pretend I haven't pointed out   
   some of   
   >>>>>>the evidence.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>No, I'm not.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    That's a blatant lie.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>You haven't;   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    That's a blatant lie.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>you've only done the same as you   
   >>>>>do below. None of what you cite is evidence.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    That's three blatant lies.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>As I've pointed out for you before life itself is evidence.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>No, it isn't.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    It sure is and even IF some day humans figure out how to produce life   
   from   
   >>>>lifeless material it might STILL REMAIN the evidence that it always has   
   been.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>The existence of something isn't evidence for   
   >>>>>how it came to exist.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    You have no evidence that it just happened by accident, or even that it   
   >>>>could have.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>All   
   >>>>>>accepted miracles are evidence. All miracles recorded in the Bible are   
   evidence.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>There are none,   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    That's a HORRIBLY blatant lie. What did you think you could possibly   
   gain by   
   >>>>telling such and horribly stupid and horribly blatant lie as that???   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>and nothing in the Bible (or the Vedas, or   
   >>>>>the Koran) is evidence of anything but the fact that someone   
   >>>>>wrote a story.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>All saints are evidence.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>No, they aren't;   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    That's another blatant lie.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>saints are proclaimed by the church, which   
   >>>>>is an organization of humans, not deities.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    The things required in order for someone to be considered a saint are   
   >>>>evidence of God's existence and his influence on them.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>Atheists are evidence.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>No, they aren't.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    Yes they are. YOU are. Not only because life itself is, but also   
   because   
   >>>>your dependence on and obvious comfort with using blatant dishonesty so   
   stupid   
   >>>>it makes no sense for anyone to think they could gain anything by telling   
   such   
   >>>>obvious lies, is evidence of God's existence by being evidence of Satan's   
   >>>>existence and influence on your pathetic weak mind. The same is true of   
   all your   
   >>>>blatantly dishonest brethren, all of you being evidence of Satan's   
   influence in   
   >>>>your lives. The Bible and Koran both mention it too, which is MORE   
   evidence of   
   >>>>God's existence because of atheists.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>And that is as stupid an assertion as I've   
   >>>>>ever seen from you, and that's saying something.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>All medical miracles are   
   >>>>>>evidence.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>No, they aren't.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    That's just another horribly blatant lie, which is evidence of Satan's   
   >>>>influence on your tiny stupid mind. Unless you can explain what you think   
   you   
   >>>>could gain by telling such a stupid and blatant lie, and even IF you can   
   try to   
   >>>>explain--which I seriously doubt you can--it will probably STILL remain   
   evidence   
   >>>>of Satan's influence on your weak little brain.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>"Miracles" is hyperbole.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>All prayers that seem to have been answered are evidence.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>No, they aren't;   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    That's yet another blatant lie which is so blatantly stupid there's no   
   good   
   >>>>apparent reason for anyone to ever stoop to telling. You didn't fool me by   
   >>>>telling it, or anyone else that's aware of what I pointed out for you.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>"seem to have" isn't synonymous with   
   >>>>>"were",   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    Which is why they are evidence and not proof. It seems even an atheist   
   >>>>should be able to comprehend that much, but apparently you can't   
   comprehend it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>and no objective evaluation has ever shown more than   
   >>>>>chance.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>But you   
      
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