XPost: alt.atheism, alt.agnosticism, sci.skeptic
XPost: alt.christnet
On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 23:27:20 -0700 (PDT), lefty_the_rude@yahoo.ca wrote:
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>On Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:33:26 PM UTC-4, m...@.not wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 16:59:30 -0700 (PDT), lefty_the_rude@yahoo.ca wrote:
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>> >On Friday, August 29, 2014 3:56:26 PM UTC-4, m...@.not wrote:
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>> >> On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 01:57:08 +0100 (BST), Steve wrote:
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>> >> >> >the atheist has conditioned himself to suppress the knowledge of God
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>> >> >> >we read in v.18 and following of Romans chapter one... he's his own
worse enemy hating the fact that
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knowledge.
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God does
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belief even
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>> >>It's a fact that the majority of atheists I've encountered who clearly
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have not
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make it
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>> >You don't even know what a fact is.
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>> >"It appears to me that somebody feels a certain way" is not, and never
will be, a statement of a fact about the person under discussion.
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>> >Armchair psychologist drivel about people you've never met isn't even one
the same plane of existence as fact. It's just grist for a flame war you're
trying to ignite. Most of us engage in some armchair psychology, but only the
most aggressively ego-
driven and intellectually stunted among us try to pass such speculation off as
fact.
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>> One thing we've been taught by atheists that is fact is that none of
you are
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>> evidence you think there "should be", WHERE you think it "should be", and
WHY
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>> you think it "should be" to God's benefit for him to provide us with it if
he
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>1) I am not an atheist and I don't have any expectations regarding what
evidence there should be for god's existence. I'm an agnostic who doesn't give
a shit either way.
You give a shit about it enough to discuss it a little bit, and possibly to
give it some little bit of thought when you do discuss it. I'm a weak agnostic
myself. Maybe you're a strong one?
>2) Your rant has nothing to do with what I posted.
What I pointed out about them is true, and is proven true by every one of
them every time they're challenged to try explaining what they think they're
trying to talk about when they demand evidence. Test them on it yourself and
you'll see the same thing....or at least the result will be the same and in
that
way you'll "see" it whether you can recognise it or not.
>Can you answer a direct question?
Some times, though some of those times the answer is that I don't know.
>Is it or is not not a "fact" that "the majority of atheists" you've
encountered secretly believe in god and are ashamed to admit it?
I don't know, but believe it's the other way around. The majority of them
that I've encountered clearly appear to believe God does not exist but are
ashamed to admit that and dishonestly try to pretend they have no belief at
all.
Of course that could be evidence that what you suggested is correct and they're
afraid of God and afraid to say they believe he doesn't exist.
>You've posted theory of yours which you claim is objectively, factually
correct. Since you cannot possibly know for a fact what anybody secretly
feels, either you admit it's not a fact or you're exposed as a liar.
THEY have proven me correct that they don't know what sort of evidence
shoud
be where, or why it should be there. They have done so consistently every time
they've been challenged to try to explain.
>Since you constantly accuses others of lying and pretend to find lies so
disgusting, it would also make you a hypocrite.
>I suggest you admit it's not a fact if you want to have any semblance of a
good reputation.
You need to present quotes of whatever you're accusing me of lying about,
since I'm not aware of having lied about anything and am not aware of how it
would be to my advantage to lie about any of it. The truth is on my side so I'm
not aware of why I would lie or what I would lie about. We'll see what you come
up with as your examples, or if you come up with no good examples then we'll
see
that it's you who are lying, not me.
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