XPost: alt.atheism, alt.agnosticism, sci.skeptic
XPost: alt.christnet
From: me@nothere.biz
On 29-September-2014 11:04 AM, mur@.not. wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:01:45 +1000, felix_unger wrote:
> ..
>> On 27-September-2014 3:05 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 18:51:22 +1000, the following appeared
>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by felix_unger :
>>>
>>>> On 20-September-2014 6:37 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 19/09/2014 7:21 AM, mur@.not. wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 19:54:14 +1000, Sylvia Else
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> On 14/09/2014 1:57 AM, mur@.not. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 23:14:54 -0400, Olrik wrote:
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>> Le 2014-09-10 14:47, mur@.not. a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>> Would they be able to post at all?
>>>>>>>>> What lies?
>>>>>>>> All of them. Of course the biggest is that there's no evidence for
>>>>>>>> God's
>>>>>>>> existence, when if there really was no evidence there would be
>>>>>>>> nothing for
>>>>>>>> anyone to believe in.
>>>>>>> The alternative possibility is that people believe despite the absence
>>>>>>> of evidence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As an argument for the existence of God, it really doesn't work. It
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> leaves open the question of why people believe.
>>>>>> If there really was no evidence there would be nothing for them to
>>>>>> believe.
>>>>> If you believe that, I'm forced to ask you what the evidence is for it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Generally, all that's required is to conceive of something to believe,
>>>>> and then believe it. Evidence is an optional extra.
>>>> but then there is also belief 'caused' by evidence
>>> Of course. But that doesn't refute what she wrote, that
>>> evidence isn't required for belief to exist. And it isn't;
>> I never said it did. I said "then there is also.."
>>
>>>
>>> only faith is required; evidence is just a "nice-to-have".
>> rather I would say that one has faith in the veracity of ones beliefs,
>> and that beliefs without any supporting evidence would be rather
>> fanciful and virtually impossible to substantiate.
>>
>>> BTW, the OED defines "faith" as "Strong belief in the
>>> doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction
>>> rather than proof".
>> faith is more than that
>>
>> faith
>> noun
>>
>> 1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
>>
>> 2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis
>> would be substantiated by fact.
>>
>> 3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm
>> faith of the Pilgrims.
>>
>> 4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to
>> be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
>>
>> 5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
>>
>> 6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise,
>> engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.
>>
>> 7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath,
>> allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our
>> recent troubles.
>>
>>
>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith?s=t
> Would any of those things not apply to atheist faith that God does not
> exist? How about to atheist faith that there is no evidence of God's
existence?
yes, atheists have faith that their beliefs are correct.
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