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   On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 21:30:31 -0500, Mitchell Holman  wrote:   
   .   
   >On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 18:27:33 -0400, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 20:57:20 -0500, Mitchell Holman  wrote:   
   >>.   
   >>>On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 21:04:26 -0400, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 20:53:54 -0500, Mitchell Holman    
   wrote:   
   >>>>.   
   >>>>>mur@.not. wrote in news:p5692a51l3q7udvc0ism4ou8r8td1s1cbo@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 18:37:36 +1000, Sylvia Else   
   >>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>> .   
   >>>>>>>On 19/09/2014 7:21 AM, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 19:54:14 +1000, Sylvia Else   
   >>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> .   
   >>>>>>>>> On 14/09/2014 1:57 AM, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 23:14:54 -0400, Olrik    
   >>>>>>>>>> wrote: .   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Le 2014-09-10 14:47, mur@.not. a écrit :   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>        Would they be able to post at all?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> What lies?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>       All of them. Of course the biggest is that there's no   
   >>>>>>>>>>       evidence for God's   
   >>>>>>>>>> existence, when if there really was no evidence there would be   
   >>>>>>>>>> nothing for anyone to believe in.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> The alternative possibility is that people believe despite the   
   >>>>>>>>> absence of evidence.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> As an argument for the existence of God, it really doesn't work. It   
   >>>>>>>>> just leaves open the question of why people believe.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>      If there really was no evidence there would be nothing for them   
   >>>>>>>>      to believe.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>If you believe that, I'm forced to ask you what the evidence is for   
   >>>>>>>it?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Generally, all that's required is to conceive of something to believe,   
   >>>>>>>and then believe it. Evidence is an optional extra.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>     How do you imagine it happened then? Since none of you can explain   
   >>>>>>     what sort   
   >>>>>> of evidence you think there should be, or where it should be, or why   
   >>>>>> it should be there if God exists, try explaining how the evidence you   
   >>>>>> say doesn't exist came to be in the first place. Try explaining in   
   >>>>>> detail how you think the books of the Bible came into existence from   
   >>>>>> the very start, and why they did. Then go on to explain how the   
   >>>>>> supposed lies were kept going and most importantly how billions of   
   >>>>>> people were persuaded to believe the supposed lies.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>    Huh?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>    What does it matter how many people believe something?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    Because there has to be reason for them to believe it. That's a   
   starting   
   >>>>line for you to try to get as "far" as. What if you ever could get as far   
   as the   
   >>>>starting line? I wonder....LOL...I have to wonder because none of you have   
   >>>>gotten that "far" yet...LOL... You people are hilarious!!!!   
   >>>   
   >>>     Is the earth flat because millions of people   
   >>>once believe in it?   
   >   
   >     Evasion noted.   
      
       Actually you're the one who evaded what I pointed out for you, and in doing   
   so you proved me correct that you can't get as "far" as the starting line I   
   correctly pointed out you can't get as far as.   
      
   >Tell us how a popular belief can   
   >be true just because it is popular.   
      
       That was your evasion since I never said it could. What I pointed out is   
   the   
   obvious and easy FACT that there has to be reason for them to believe it, and   
   went on to point out another fact which is that you can't comprehend that fact.   
   Your reaction was to try to make it appear I said something other than the   
   facts   
   I pointed out for you, something stupid that I don't believe, and then   
   tried...LOL...to get me to explain how it could be true. This is another   
   example   
   where just explaining the atheist's position is hilarious.   
      
   >>    Does the Earth not exist because people have had incorrect beliefs about   
   it?   
   >>   
   >>>     Is reincarnation real because a billion people   
   >>>in India beleive in it?   
   >>   
   >>    Maybe. Maybe not. If you think you found out then explain how you   
   possibly   
   >>could have.   
   >>   
   >>>     Get back to us when you can prove this bizarre   
   >>>claim about how many people believe in something   
   >>>making it true.   
   >>   
   >>    If God does exist do atheists disbelieving somehow make him cease to   
   exist?   
   >>LOL...the very idea is hilarious.   
   >   
   >      If Shiva exists do Christians disbelieving in him   
   >make him cease to exist?   
      
       Human disbelief has nothing to do with it.   
      
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