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|    Re-Post: The Guardian Problem:    |
|    16 Nov 20 14:52:05    |
      From: RobertArvay@msn.com              To summarize the Guardian problem:              1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament       of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.              2. If the LW&T is not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey       his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed       authority would be expected to do.              3. These self-described duties include the critical task of       appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death       or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to       have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as       to the validity of the successor's appointment.              4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian was ever       appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were       claimants.              5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a       guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a       possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his       death intestate led to the crisis it did.              6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that       the Guardianship was ever a divine institution. It also demonstrates       that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any       attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to       anticipate the lack of a succession.              7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it       upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,       the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian. But they had no       authority to make that declaration. That authority died with Shoghi.              8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a       contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station       against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the       station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of       guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of       succession.              9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their       best was not enough. Nor could it be. It should become apparent that       such an irregularity could not be explained in terms of a divinely       appointed station. Shoghi had been inexcusably, and inexplicably,       derelict in his duties, duties which he himself had repeatedly       affirmed in the most emphatic manner.              10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and       flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no       improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous       in the appointment of a successor.              11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are       equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted       explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.              12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought       power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.       Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,       as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had       promised.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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