XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   niunian wrote:   
      
   > On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 01:45:41 +0200, liaM wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 8/10/2015 1:15 AM, niunian wrote:   
   >>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 21:04:41 +0100, brian mitchell wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> The Sixth Ancestor Hui-neng awoke when he heard the "unestablished   
   >>>>> mind"   
   >>>>> of the Diamond scripture: ???????? "give rise to a thought/mind   
   >>>>> that is not established on anything, meaning not established on   
   >>>>> the six sense-fields". It may (or may not) experience them, but is   
   >>>>> not attached to them and is detached from them. That is the   
   >>>>> difference.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> My understanding of the unsupported thought is attention without an   
   >>>> object.   
   >>>   
   >>> I think it means the thought that is not based on anything except   
   >>> itself.   
   >>> It can be otherwise said as self-evident.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Unsupported thought = seeing, hearing, feeling, smelling, talking   
   >> about what happens to arise in one's field of consciousness without   
   >> it also arousing desire, judgment, intention, or action.   
   >>   
   >> And if perchance such attachment occurs, allowing it to wither and   
   >> vanish.  In this the neophyte thus stands at the gate of the Dharma.   
   >> Call it "equanimity" :)   
   >   
   > I disagree.   
      
   I think that LiaM has reasonably stated the gist of it.   
      
      
   > I don't think the Diamond sutra was talking about the   
   > nature of emptiness of the mind. There is no such thought that is   
   > devoid of meaning. Even if there was, it would only lead to nihilism.   
   >   
   > The thought that is self sufficient and evident to be able to stand on   
   > its own without relying on anything else is something far greater than   
   > anything we can think of in our everyday life. It's original. It's the   
   > most precious and enlightening.   
      
   Can you list some examples of thought that is able to stand on its own   
   without relying on anything else?   
      
      
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