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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   Tang Huyen wrote:   
      
   > On 8/9/2015 4:04 PM, brian mitchell wrote:   
   >   
   >> My understanding of the unsupported thought is attention   
   >> without an object.   
   >   
   > This is one issue where I would adjudge you objectivist.   
   > In Usenet, there is the famous adage: "Do not let the   
   > trolls drag you down to their levels." In Buddhism, the   
   > lotus flower grows in mud, grows out of mud and is not   
   > dirtied by mud. There are meditative states in which   
   > there is no object, nothing experienced other than pure   
   > consciousness or some such, even nothing experienced at   
   > all. But to rely on them for liberation would be to   
   > give too much power to objects or to the field of   
   > experience in general.   
   >   
   > What is experienced can be experienced, and it can be   
   > what it wants to be, but (here, I admit that it is   
   > beyond me) one can still treat it the way one wants, in   
   > that one can refrain from carving it up and turning the   
   > resulting bits into objects. The field of experience is   
   > experienced but does not carry one away, and one   
   > experiences it but is detached from it so that one does   
   > not stand on anything or stop at anything (contrariwise,   
   > if one was to stand on anything or stop at anything,   
   > one would be carried away by that something, which one   
   > would have objectified). That is what I take to be an   
   > unsupported thought/mind, an unestablished thought/mind.   
   >   
   >  From the early canon to Chan, the same teaching is valid   
   > and is repeated in almost unchanged terminology. It is   
   > the core of Buddhism, regardless of details. Recently,   
   > kamerm says on the Daoist board:   
   >   
   > < Both agree that evil is not confronted.  It is respected   
   > and avoided, and finds no crevice in which to lodge its   
   > horn, nor cause to make the attempt.>>   
   >   
   > Tang Huyen   
      
   Interesting, I read that when kamerm posted it but the comment about not   
   confronting evil somehow escaped my attention.  I think it escaped my   
   attention because I don't recall having posted to disagree with that   
   view.   
      
   In harmony with Tao one does not choose what he will confront and what   
   he will avoid, only how to proceed from where he finds himself.   
      
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