XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: tanghuyen@gmail.com   
      
   On 8/13/2015 8:47 PM, Nobody in Particular wrote:   
      
   > Vely intelesting. So if Buddhism declared something   
   > akin to the Christian's creationism as opposed to   
   > science's evolution, you would propose defending   
   > creationism.   
      
   Evolution can well be supported by facts, but mental   
   culture largely suspends matters of facts whilst it   
   proceeds. In Buddhism, there are methods (dharma-s)   
   which violate facts, like imagining that the whole   
   world is a skeleton, or enveloping the whole world   
   in friendliness, compassion, sympathetic joy,   
   equability. Such methods are pure ways of voluntary   
   adhesion, and mostly do not relate to the real world,   
   but aim at reforming the cultivators' attitudes. They   
   are purely subjective and strictly sentimental, even   
   if they do not deny the world per se. The sublation   
   of mental proliferation is also purely subjective   
   and strictly sentimental, and works only on the   
   subjective side, leaving the objective side intact.   
   The objective side still proceeds like before, but   
   the subjective side does not attempt to fit it into   
   its boxes, and that is the meaning of the Diamond   
   scripture, as I discussed in "the Elephant". There   
   is an effort to drop all views (which I do not claim   
   to have attained), and what is (real or unreal, true   
   or untrue, or whatever else) is left intact. That is   
   the sublation of mental proliferation.   
      
   I take "agnostic" literally, as meaning not knowing,   
   and in not knowing, the cultivator abstains from   
   judging what is real or unreal, true or untrue,good   
   or bad,  or whatever else. As Norbu says, mindfulness   
   is to look and not to judge.   
      
   Tang Huyen   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)