XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   x wrote:   
      
   > On 10/15/15 03:33, liaM wrote:   
   >> On 10/14/2015 4:40 PM, Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>> On 10/12/2015 4:14 PM, brian mitchell wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> The link between nonduality and compassion feels solid, but   
   >>>> I don't know how active and constructive that compassion   
   >>>> has to be. As with most things, there's probably a range,   
   >>>> from the purely apperceptive to getting involved with bricks   
   >>>> and mortar.   
   >>>   
   >>> <>> to feel with another or others. In your simple Tat Vam Asi   
   >>> modality, is there any element of feeling? I'm not speaking   
   >>> about emotions here, but something that goes deeper than   
   >>> just seeing or cognising; something that penetrates the   
   >>> existential skin?>>   
   >>>   
   >>> The following is only my opinion, and nothing more.   
   >>> The Spinozan intellectual love of the world entails   
   >>> no compassion, just a Stoic feeling of the harmony   
   >>> of the universe, in the abstract. The idea of the   
   >>> individual awakening and not bothering about others   
   >>> is accepted in Buddhism and Jainism, and probably is   
   >>> a concept/word that precedes both of them in India   
   >>> (pacceka-buddha). Awakening would then belong purely   
   >>> to seeing or cognising, and not something that   
   >>> penetrates the existential skin. (Even then, it could   
   >>> be argued that others, who contribute to the survival   
   >>> of such people, for example by offering food, as in   
   >>> India, would benefit from such contact, merely from   
   >>> the good feeling, however generated, as in learning   
   >>> by examples.)   
   >>>   
   >>> Tang Huyen   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> If I may return to my earlier post about human awareness   
   >> being a mutation level different from the awareness observed   
   >> in animals.  The best of us are aware of our own awareness   
   >> (some aren't, or have not developed the faculty), and some   
   >> of us make quite a sport of it.  We observe, judge, converse   
   >> between awareness-es.  The Buddhist practice of mindfulness   
   >> seems designed to enhance this mental phenomenon.  When hungry,   
   >> be aware of being hungry. Be aware when angry, mentally   
   >> stressed, enslaved by whatever mental preoccupation.   
   >> In so doing... in being thus self aware, a human awareness   
   >> leads inevitably (imho) to awareness of the mental states of   
   >> other humans.  This is compassion.  We who aren't ruffians   
   >> commiserate with the fate of others.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
   > cruel bitches have awareness, emotional sensitivity towards others,   
   > but they use that to cut where they know it will hurt most. so   
   > different to compassion yet both originating from the same ultra   
   > sensitive awareness.   
      
   Good point.   
      
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