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   From: kamermX@yahoo.com   
      
   Ned Ludd wrote:   
   >   
   > "Tang Huyen"  wrote in message   
   > news:561E697A.3090505@gmail.com...   
   >> On 10/12/2015 4:14 PM, brian mitchell wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> The link between nonduality and compassion feels solid, but   
   >>> I don't know how active and constructive that compassion   
   >>> has to be. As with most things, there's probably a range,   
   >>> from the purely apperceptive to getting involved with bricks   
   >>> and mortar.   
   >>   
   >> <> to feel with another or others. In your simple Tat Vam Asi   
   >> modality, is there any element of feeling? I'm not speaking   
   >> about emotions here, but something that goes deeper than   
   >> just seeing or cognising; something that penetrates the   
   >> existential skin?>>   
   >>   
   >> The following is only my opinion, and nothing more.   
   >> The Spinozan intellectual love of the world entails   
   >> no compassion, just a Stoic feeling of the harmony   
   >> of the universe, in the abstract. The idea of the   
   >> individual awakening and not bothering about others   
   >> is accepted in Buddhism and Jainism, and probably is   
   >> a concept/word that precedes both of them in India   
   >> (pacceka-buddha). Awakening would then belong purely   
   >> to seeing or cognising, and not something that   
   >> penetrates the existential skin. (Even then, it could   
   >> be argued that others, who contribute to the survival   
   >> of such people, for example by offering food, as in   
   >> India, would benefit from such contact, merely from   
   >> the good feeling, however generated, as in learning   
   >> by examples.)   
   >>   
   >> Tang Huyen   
   >>   
   >   
   > Does any species of any kind, except humans, preserve   
   > their elderly?  In the social and hierarchical species it   
   > seems that when the alpha of any specific group gets   
   > weak he is taken out by one of the contending subordinates.   
   >   
   > Of course this happens in humans, but it is a special case   
   > of group leadership.  In the vast majority of humanity, the   
   > frail elderly are preserved.  Is this entirely the result of   
   > language?  Or to back up, (1) Is it genetic?, and (2) Is it   
   > the result of language and the group-preserving value of   
   > lore and accumulated wisdom?   
   >   
   > It seems we preserve all our elderly, even those with no   
   > capacity to help the group, indicating that is it genetic.   
   > But language appears to be a recent evolutionary adaptation,   
   > implying that there has not been time for this to be genetically   
   > selected.   
   >   
   > Ned   
   >   
      
      
   Human knowledge has unusual (for animals) value to later generations.   
   For similar you need to look to elephant matriarchs in desert   
   environments and their memories of where water and forage sufficient for   
   the clan can be found.  And elephants do live quite long..   
      
   for research in this speculative (non-engineering behavior leaves few if   
   any remains) area:   
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandmother_hypothesis   
   http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3225579/Thanks-Gr   
   n-Researchers-GRANDMOTHER-key-human-evolution.html   
   http://news.discovery.com/human/evolution/grandmothers-drove-evo   
   ution-of-monogamy-150908.htm   
   https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=evolution+of+grandmothers&h   
   =en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart   
      
   -k   
      
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