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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   Kitty P wrote:   
      
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   > "liaM"  wrote in message news:mvp1p4$l83$1@dont-email.me...   
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   > On 10/15/2015 6:32 PM, x wrote:   
   >> On 10/15/15 23:56, liaM wrote:   
   >>> On 10/15/2015 8:13 AM, x wrote:   
   >>>> On 10/15/15 07:40, liaM wrote:   
   >>>>> On 10/15/2015 12:53 AM, x wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 10/15/15 03:33, liaM wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 10/14/2015 4:40 PM, Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 10/12/2015 4:14 PM, brian mitchell wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> The link between nonduality and compassion feels solid, but   
   >>>>>>>>> I don't know how active and constructive that compassion   
   >>>>>>>>> has to be. As with most things, there's probably a range,   
   >>>>>>>>> from the purely apperceptive to getting involved with bricks   
   >>>>>>>>> and mortar.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> <>>>>>>> to feel with another or others. In your simple Tat Vam Asi   
   >>>>>>>> modality, is there any element of feeling? I'm not speaking   
   >>>>>>>> about emotions here, but something that goes deeper than   
   >>>>>>>> just seeing or cognising; something that penetrates the   
   >>>>>>>> existential skin?>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> The following is only my opinion, and nothing more.   
   >>>>>>>> The Spinozan intellectual love of the world entails   
   >>>>>>>> no compassion, just a Stoic feeling of the harmony   
   >>>>>>>> of the universe, in the abstract. The idea of the   
   >>>>>>>> individual awakening and not bothering about others   
   >>>>>>>> is accepted in Buddhism and Jainism, and probably is   
   >>>>>>>> a concept/word that precedes both of them in India   
   >>>>>>>> (pacceka-buddha). Awakening would then belong purely   
   >>>>>>>> to seeing or cognising, and not something that   
   >>>>>>>> penetrates the existential skin. (Even then, it could   
   >>>>>>>> be argued that others, who contribute to the survival   
   >>>>>>>> of such people, for example by offering food, as in   
   >>>>>>>> India, would benefit from such contact, merely from   
   >>>>>>>> the good feeling, however generated, as in learning   
   >>>>>>>> by examples.)   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Tang Huyen   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> If I may return to my earlier post about human awareness   
   >>>>>>> being a mutation level different from the awareness observed   
   >>>>>>> in animals.  The best of us are aware of our own awareness   
   >>>>>>> (some aren't, or have not developed the faculty), and some   
   >>>>>>> of us make quite a sport of it.  We observe, judge, converse   
   >>>>>>> between awareness-es.  The Buddhist practice of mindfulness   
   >>>>>>> seems designed to enhance this mental phenomenon.  When hungry,   
   >>>>>>> be aware of being hungry. Be aware when angry, mentally   
   >>>>>>> stressed, enslaved by whatever mental preoccupation.   
   >>>>>>> In so doing... in being thus self aware, a human awareness   
   >>>>>>> leads inevitably (imho) to awareness of the mental states of   
   >>>>>>> other humans.  This is compassion.  We who aren't ruffians   
   >>>>>>> commiserate with the fate of others.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> cruel bitches have awareness, emotional sensitivity towards   
   >>>>>> others, but   
   >>>>>> they use that to cut where they know it will hurt most. so   
   >>>>>> different to   
   >>>>>> compassion yet both originating from the same ultra sensitive   
   >>>>>> awareness.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> So what do you think is going on ?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> personal differences?   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> ignorance and insensitivity   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> u mad?   
   >   
   >   
   >>>as it is, awareness of threats and/or points to be scored, of   
   >>>maiming, killing, etc. belongs to the lower realms (in the Tibetan   
   >>>cosmogony)   
   >>>i.e. hell fiends or animals.  It's not exactly the awareness of one's   
   >>>awareness that leads to compassion.   
   >   
   > There are certain kinds of mental health issues that make it   
   > impossible for some to understand you on the level you're offering.   
   > There is a kindness in your trying though.   
      
   You bet, help those nasty asuras come to their right minds, innit.   
      
   Compassion is a lie, compassionate-action is true; those who feel   
   compassion yet do nothing are no more than additional grist feeding the   
   mill of those who turned the handle that made compassion applicable in   
   the first place; those who turn the handle are ruthless and dealing with   
   them less than ruthlessly is less useful than not dealing with them at   
   all.   
      
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