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   "Ned Ludd"  wrote in message   
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   "Tang Huyen"  wrote in message   
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   > On 8/8/2016 9:22 AM, Ned Ludd wrote:   
   >   
   >>  Never wrestle with a pig - you'll both get dirty   
   >> and the pig will enjoy it.   
   >   
   > This saying was much invoked in the glory   
   > years of TRB, ten or fifteen years ago. It   
   > supposedly comes from George Bernard   
   > Shaw.   
   >   
   > In theory (I say so because I am purely   
   > extrapolating a priori, without any basis in   
   > reality), a sage can play the pig, e. g., to   
   > help awaken people, with impunity, for he   
   > has abandoned self and   
   > what-belong-to-self, treats everything and   
   > everybody like clouds passing in the sky   
   > or water sliding off a duck's back, and   
   > uses such a trope in a selfless, salvific   
   > manner, without any self-interest from his   
   > side, so that he remains unblemished. In   
   > a way, he merely uses it in the Soft Way   
   > (柔道 rou-dao, Japanese Judo) to flip the   
   > belligerent or at least obstinate persons   
   > with their own ego (e. g., as manifested in   
   > their pomposity and ego inflation) and   
   > does not engage his own energy. It can   
   > well be that the intended recipients   
   > rarely or never "get" the message, but   
   > who knows, some of them, or some   
   > by-standers, can "click" and come to   
   > sense, even from afar, by reading about   
   > such an occurrence (which can get   
   > recorded as "public case" 公案 gong-an   
   > and "case" 則 ze in Chan).   
   >   
   > Tang Huyen   
   >   
      
     Pig-wrestling is a form of Tar-Baby Zen.  Though the one great   
   caveat of Tar-Baby Zen is that the longer the discussion continues,   
   the higher the probability that YOU are not the Tar Baby.  (Perhaps   
   this could be expanded into a Law, or at least possibly a lemma of   
   Godwin's Law.)   
      
     "Unblemished"?  Do you have something against dirt, Tang?  Or   
   zits?  Getting in the mud, getting in the weeds, this is often the   
   tactic of zen masters.  I'm not sure your judo will work very well   
   in a mud-wrestling contest.  But I must say, you've definitely been   
   in the mud for a longer stretch than I've ever seen.   
      
   Ned   
      
        THE BASIC TYPES OF ZEN   
      
   Dork Zen - encouraging self-examination by slipping on a metaphorical banana   
   peel.   
   Stump Zen   
   Couch Potato Zen   
   Doormat Zen   
   Baguette Zen and Tarte-à-la-crême Zen   
   Black Hole Zen   
   Zombie Zen   
   Jackhammer Zen   
   Sock-puppet Zen   
   Vending-machine Zen   
   Baby Huey Zen   
   Tar-Baby Zen   
   Teflon Zen   
   Fire-poker Zen   
   Fortune-cookie Zen   
   Buji Zen   
   Soto Zen   
   Rinzai Zen   
   Sanbo Kyodan Zen   
   Beat Zen &   
   Square Zen   
   Ch'an -- Chinese Zen (heh!)   
   Soen -- Korean Zen   
   Thien -- Vietnamese Zen   
   Diamond Sangha (Aitken)   
   Pacific Zen Institute formerly California Diamond Sangha (Tarrant)   
   White Plum Sangha (Mauzumi)   
   International Zen Association (Deshimaru)   
   Mountain and Rivers Order (Loori)   
   Order of Buddist Contemplatives (Shasta Abbey -- Kennet)   
   Affiliates of Rochester Zen Center (Kapleau)   
      
   Dar:   
   and the cologne   
   the only zen worth the price   
      
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   you missed one of the most prevalent   
   forms of zen;  beavis & butthead zen.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)