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   From: pi65478@gmail.com   
      
   On 2016-08-21 22:33, liaM wrote:   
   > On 8/21/2016 9:36 PM, djinn wrote:   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> "Tang Huyen"  wrote in message   
   >> news:7d43aaf6-bf9b-3560-981b-20d9c1a3d6a2@gmail.com...   
   >>   
   >> On 8/20/2016 12:01 PM, djinn wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> and also, once you find how to live on dew drops and   
   >>> fresh air, can it for sale and you'll be an overnight   
   >>> billionaire.   
   >>   
   >> Set up a franchise to automate the trick on   
   >> a mass scale?   
   >>   
   >> Cynicism aside, all spiritual movements   
   >> suffer from the unavoidable contortion of   
   >> trying to make a wished-for state, be it   
   >> freedom or salvation of any kind, available   
   >> to more than their originators, who   
   >> supposedly experience it in person. It is   
   >> already severe when it is still within   
   >> words -- In the beginning was the Word --   
   >> but it is exponentially explosive when it is   
   >> claimed to be outside of words.   
   >>   
   >> How to transmit and propagate something   
   >> that is accessible to a few elects, however   
   >> defined? The message has to be   
   >> prostituted to attract the support for the   
   >> supposed elects from the masses, who   
   >> can often only hope to enjoy the fruits   
   >> vicariously, if at all. And how to preserve   
   >> the message from corruption through   
   >> different times, spaces, languages,   
   >> customs?   
   >>   
   >> Jesus intentionally taught in parables to   
   >> exclude the unwashed masses within   
   >> earshot from understanding him, who was   
   >> the only path to salvation. Those people   
   >> who were not for him were against him.   
   >> Let the dead bury the dead, etc.   
   >>   
   >> The redeeming factor can be, not anything   
   >> supernatural, but something natural: the   
   >> human mind and its capacity to reintuit   
   >> and recompose the supposed original   
   >> message from bits and pieces from it that   
   >> might well survive and float around like   
   >> dust in the air.   
   >>   
   >> And what works, regardless of   
   >> circumstances, can well be, not the   
   >> content of the message per se, but the   
   >> capacity of the human mind to bring itself   
   >> together by means of whatever religious   
   >> or non-religious methods of ... pulling   
   >> itself together and making itself cohere,   
   >> though some religious traditions have   
   >> some modicum of expertise on them.   
   >> Such methods (Dharma-s) can well work   
   >> by helping the human mind pull itself   
   >> together, and the  religious externalities   
   >> can cooperate in the endeavour, by   
   >> lending gravitas (including the social   
   >> solemnity) to the whole show, but such   
   >> methods can well work by virtue   
   >> of ... themselves alone, though in   
   >> confluence with the human mind. All   
   >> else can well be frills.   
   >>   
   >> Tang Huyen   
   >>   
   >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   
   >>   
   >> what is sometimes called the guru game,   
   >> had its most creative administrators in   
   >> christ, krishna and buddha. they understood   
   >> that awareness had this infinitesimal slice of   
   >> the cosmic cookie called a human perspective   
   >> and that no amount of parables or eight fold   
   >> noble paths would change that perspective by   
   >> much. the only way to completion or arrival was   
   >> by complete relinquishment of that conceptual   
   >> loop of mentation that drives the identification   
   >> aspect of awareness in its human tunnel vision   
   >> viewpoint. nisargadata maharaj once said; "The   
   >> seeker must disappear."   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
   > And ABSFG exists to put a wooden stake through the   
   > heart of this bloodsucker..  without much success,   
   > witness the nightly forays of local victims of the   
   > creed hunting the obvious thinking such will   
   > yield fresh blood.   
   >   
   > Was pi the last newbie.. ?   
      
   Can you get the check, liaM?   
      
   pi   
      
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