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   "liaM"  wrote in message news:npd369$2ef$1@dont-email.me...   
      
   On 8/21/2016 9:36 PM, djinn wrote:   
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   > "Tang Huyen"  wrote in message   
   > news:7d43aaf6-bf9b-3560-981b-20d9c1a3d6a2@gmail.com...   
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   > On 8/20/2016 12:01 PM, djinn wrote:   
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   >> and also, once you find how to live on dew drops and   
   >> fresh air, can it for sale and you'll be an overnight   
   >> billionaire.   
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   > Set up a franchise to automate the trick on   
   > a mass scale?   
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   > Cynicism aside, all spiritual movements   
   > suffer from the unavoidable contortion of   
   > trying to make a wished-for state, be it   
   > freedom or salvation of any kind, available   
   > to more than their originators, who   
   > supposedly experience it in person. It is   
   > already severe when it is still within   
   > words -- In the beginning was the Word --   
   > but it is exponentially explosive when it is   
   > claimed to be outside of words.   
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   > How to transmit and propagate something   
   > that is accessible to a few elects, however   
   > defined? The message has to be   
   > prostituted to attract the support for the   
   > supposed elects from the masses, who   
   > can often only hope to enjoy the fruits   
   > vicariously, if at all. And how to preserve   
   > the message from corruption through   
   > different times, spaces, languages,   
   > customs?   
   >   
   > Jesus intentionally taught in parables to   
   > exclude the unwashed masses within   
   > earshot from understanding him, who was   
   > the only path to salvation. Those people   
   > who were not for him were against him.   
   > Let the dead bury the dead, etc.   
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   > The redeeming factor can be, not anything   
   > supernatural, but something natural: the   
   > human mind and its capacity to reintuit   
   > and recompose the supposed original   
   > message from bits and pieces from it that   
   > might well survive and float around like   
   > dust in the air.   
   >   
   > And what works, regardless of   
   > circumstances, can well be, not the   
   > content of the message per se, but the   
   > capacity of the human mind to bring itself   
   > together by means of whatever religious   
   > or non-religious methods of ... pulling   
   > itself together and making itself cohere,   
   > though some religious traditions have   
   > some modicum of expertise on them.   
   > Such methods (Dharma-s) can well work   
   > by helping the human mind pull itself   
   > together, and the  religious externalities   
   > can cooperate in the endeavour, by   
   > lending gravitas (including the social   
   > solemnity) to the whole show, but such   
   > methods can well work by virtue   
   > of ... themselves alone, though in   
   > confluence with the human mind. All   
   > else can well be frills.   
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   > Tang Huyen   
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   > what is sometimes called the guru game,   
   > had its most creative administrators in   
   > christ, krishna and buddha. they understood   
   > that awareness had this infinitesimal slice of   
   > the cosmic cookie called a human perspective   
   > and that no amount of parables or eight fold   
   > noble paths would change that perspective by   
   > much. the only way to completion or arrival was   
   > by complete relinquishment of that conceptual   
   > loop of mentation that drives the identification   
   > aspect of awareness in its human tunnel vision   
   > viewpoint. nisargadata maharaj once said; "The   
   > seeker must disappear."   
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   And ABSFG exists to put a wooden stake through the   
   heart of this bloodsucker..  without much success,   
   witness the nightly forays of local victims of the   
   creed hunting the obvious thinking such will   
   yield fresh blood.   
      
   Was pi the last newbie.. ?   
      
      
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   gassho   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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