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   From: cuddly@mindless.com   
      
   On 8/21/2016 11:29 PM, pi wrote:   
   > On 2016-08-21 22:33, liaM wrote:   
   >> On 8/21/2016 9:36 PM, djinn wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> "Tang Huyen"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:7d43aaf6-bf9b-3560-981b-20d9c1a3d6a2@gmail.com...   
   >>>   
   >>> On 8/20/2016 12:01 PM, djinn wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> and also, once you find how to live on dew drops and   
   >>>> fresh air, can it for sale and you'll be an overnight   
   >>>> billionaire.   
   >>>   
   >>> Set up a franchise to automate the trick on   
   >>> a mass scale?   
   >>>   
   >>> Cynicism aside, all spiritual movements   
   >>> suffer from the unavoidable contortion of   
   >>> trying to make a wished-for state, be it   
   >>> freedom or salvation of any kind, available   
   >>> to more than their originators, who   
   >>> supposedly experience it in person. It is   
   >>> already severe when it is still within   
   >>> words -- In the beginning was the Word --   
   >>> but it is exponentially explosive when it is   
   >>> claimed to be outside of words.   
   >>>   
   >>> How to transmit and propagate something   
   >>> that is accessible to a few elects, however   
   >>> defined? The message has to be   
   >>> prostituted to attract the support for the   
   >>> supposed elects from the masses, who   
   >>> can often only hope to enjoy the fruits   
   >>> vicariously, if at all. And how to preserve   
   >>> the message from corruption through   
   >>> different times, spaces, languages,   
   >>> customs?   
   >>>   
   >>> Jesus intentionally taught in parables to   
   >>> exclude the unwashed masses within   
   >>> earshot from understanding him, who was   
   >>> the only path to salvation. Those people   
   >>> who were not for him were against him.   
   >>> Let the dead bury the dead, etc.   
   >>>   
   >>> The redeeming factor can be, not anything   
   >>> supernatural, but something natural: the   
   >>> human mind and its capacity to reintuit   
   >>> and recompose the supposed original   
   >>> message from bits and pieces from it that   
   >>> might well survive and float around like   
   >>> dust in the air.   
   >>>   
   >>> And what works, regardless of   
   >>> circumstances, can well be, not the   
   >>> content of the message per se, but the   
   >>> capacity of the human mind to bring itself   
   >>> together by means of whatever religious   
   >>> or non-religious methods of ... pulling   
   >>> itself together and making itself cohere,   
   >>> though some religious traditions have   
   >>> some modicum of expertise on them.   
   >>> Such methods (Dharma-s) can well work   
   >>> by helping the human mind pull itself   
   >>> together, and the  religious externalities   
   >>> can cooperate in the endeavour, by   
   >>> lending gravitas (including the social   
   >>> solemnity) to the whole show, but such   
   >>> methods can well work by virtue   
   >>> of ... themselves alone, though in   
   >>> confluence with the human mind. All   
   >>> else can well be frills.   
   >>>   
   >>> Tang Huyen   
   >>>   
   >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   
   >>>   
   >>> what is sometimes called the guru game,   
   >>> had its most creative administrators in   
   >>> christ, krishna and buddha. they understood   
   >>> that awareness had this infinitesimal slice of   
   >>> the cosmic cookie called a human perspective   
   >>> and that no amount of parables or eight fold   
   >>> noble paths would change that perspective by   
   >>> much. the only way to completion or arrival was   
   >>> by complete relinquishment of that conceptual   
   >>> loop of mentation that drives the identification   
   >>> aspect of awareness in its human tunnel vision   
   >>> viewpoint. nisargadata maharaj once said; "The   
   >>> seeker must disappear."   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> And ABSFG exists to put a wooden stake through the   
   >> heart of this bloodsucker..  without much success,   
   >> witness the nightly forays of local victims of the   
   >> creed hunting the obvious thinking such will   
   >> yield fresh blood.   
   >>   
   >> Was pi the last newbie.. ?   
   >   
   > Can you get the check, liaM?   
   >   
   > pi   
   >   
      
   Patience, pi.   
      
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