XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: pi65478@gmail.com   
      
   On 2016-08-22 05:34, liaM wrote:   
   > On 8/21/2016 11:29 PM, pi wrote:   
   >> On 2016-08-21 22:33, liaM wrote:   
   >>> On 8/21/2016 9:36 PM, djinn wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Tang Huyen"  wrote in message   
   >>>> news:7d43aaf6-bf9b-3560-981b-20d9c1a3d6a2@gmail.com...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> On 8/20/2016 12:01 PM, djinn wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> and also, once you find how to live on dew drops and   
   >>>>> fresh air, can it for sale and you'll be an overnight   
   >>>>> billionaire.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Set up a franchise to automate the trick on   
   >>>> a mass scale?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Cynicism aside, all spiritual movements   
   >>>> suffer from the unavoidable contortion of   
   >>>> trying to make a wished-for state, be it   
   >>>> freedom or salvation of any kind, available   
   >>>> to more than their originators, who   
   >>>> supposedly experience it in person. It is   
   >>>> already severe when it is still within   
   >>>> words -- In the beginning was the Word --   
   >>>> but it is exponentially explosive when it is   
   >>>> claimed to be outside of words.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> How to transmit and propagate something   
   >>>> that is accessible to a few elects, however   
   >>>> defined? The message has to be   
   >>>> prostituted to attract the support for the   
   >>>> supposed elects from the masses, who   
   >>>> can often only hope to enjoy the fruits   
   >>>> vicariously, if at all. And how to preserve   
   >>>> the message from corruption through   
   >>>> different times, spaces, languages,   
   >>>> customs?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Jesus intentionally taught in parables to   
   >>>> exclude the unwashed masses within   
   >>>> earshot from understanding him, who was   
   >>>> the only path to salvation. Those people   
   >>>> who were not for him were against him.   
   >>>> Let the dead bury the dead, etc.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The redeeming factor can be, not anything   
   >>>> supernatural, but something natural: the   
   >>>> human mind and its capacity to reintuit   
   >>>> and recompose the supposed original   
   >>>> message from bits and pieces from it that   
   >>>> might well survive and float around like   
   >>>> dust in the air.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And what works, regardless of   
   >>>> circumstances, can well be, not the   
   >>>> content of the message per se, but the   
   >>>> capacity of the human mind to bring itself   
   >>>> together by means of whatever religious   
   >>>> or non-religious methods of ... pulling   
   >>>> itself together and making itself cohere,   
   >>>> though some religious traditions have   
   >>>> some modicum of expertise on them.   
   >>>> Such methods (Dharma-s) can well work   
   >>>> by helping the human mind pull itself   
   >>>> together, and the  religious externalities   
   >>>> can cooperate in the endeavour, by   
   >>>> lending gravitas (including the social   
   >>>> solemnity) to the whole show, but such   
   >>>> methods can well work by virtue   
   >>>> of ... themselves alone, though in   
   >>>> confluence with the human mind. All   
   >>>> else can well be frills.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Tang Huyen   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   
   >>>>   
   >>>> what is sometimes called the guru game,   
   >>>> had its most creative administrators in   
   >>>> christ, krishna and buddha. they understood   
   >>>> that awareness had this infinitesimal slice of   
   >>>> the cosmic cookie called a human perspective   
   >>>> and that no amount of parables or eight fold   
   >>>> noble paths would change that perspective by   
   >>>> much. the only way to completion or arrival was   
   >>>> by complete relinquishment of that conceptual   
   >>>> loop of mentation that drives the identification   
   >>>> aspect of awareness in its human tunnel vision   
   >>>> viewpoint. nisargadata maharaj once said; "The   
   >>>> seeker must disappear."   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> And ABSFG exists to put a wooden stake through the   
   >>> heart of this bloodsucker..  without much success,   
   >>> witness the nightly forays of local victims of the   
   >>> creed hunting the obvious thinking such will   
   >>> yield fresh blood.   
   >>>   
   >>> Was pi the last newbie.. ?   
   >>   
   >> Can you get the check, liaM?   
   >>   
   >> pi   
   >>   
   >   
   > Patience, pi.   
      
   God give patience, but give it to me now! :)   
      
   pi   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)