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|    Tang Huyen to Ned Ludd    |
|    Re: "Onanistic Science"    |
|    30 Aug 16 08:17:47    |
      XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy.zen       From: tanghuyen@gmail.com              On 8/29/2016 2:49 PM, Ned Ludd wrote:              > The graveyard of ideas       > is necessarily spacious,       > and never diminishes.       > It has many ornate headstones:       > Monuments to tortured logic,       > and testaments to twisted reason.       > Occasionally a mausoleum       > dots the landscape, some great edifice       > of notions, holding sway, looming       > over the nearby acreage.       > The doors are rusted, windows gray       > and barred, opaque to any light,       > without or within, darkness.       > Each grave is tended faithfully,       > for each idea has a handmaiden,       > dressed in white, purporting to be       > pure reason, yet beneath her robes       > so sparkling white, a festering       > mass of emotion endlessly seethes.       > She tends her little plot and mossy stone       > with meticulous devotion,       > preserving the dead remains with undimmed       > ferocity, faithful to her bruised heart.       > Semper Fidelis, motto of warriors,       > is her guidestone, watchword, credo.       > For what is reason but faith in order.       > In springtime the grasses grow,       > obscuring the decaying graves.       > Her heart shudders at the relentless       > destruction of her cherished idea,       > hidden beneath the swelling sea of green.       > She will never leave, but rather die       > with her dying dream, reason lost       > for love of one precious thing,       > in the endlessness of things.       >       > - Ned (from "Tissue of Lies")              Neddie dear, you are again a realist and       literalist of heart and of mind, a rare sight to       one who takes things as clouds passing in the       sky and water sliding off a duck's back. You       lock yourself up hermetically in the bubble of       ideas, eagerly, as if they were ends in       themselves, a golden cage of your own       concoction, glistening to itself in Onanistic       privacy and wholly oblivious to anything       external, specially anything as vile as reality,       which to others may be what said ideas refer       to, beyond themselves and their lofty circles.              Ah! Poor finger, without moon to point to!       How lonely! How desolate!              May I refer to what I said recently, that there       is a vicious circle, in that if one does not       know oneself, how does one get to know that       one does not know oneself? Here, if one does       not know any externality, how does one get       to know that one does not know any       externality? That said, the Stoic God in the       end of any world cycle returns to himself       alone, separate from any externality, as       Seneca says in his Letter 9:              "What kind of life will a wise man have if he is       abandoned by his friends and hurled into       prison or isolated in some foreign country or       detained on a long voyage or cast out onto a       desert shore? It will be like the life of Zeus, at       the time when the world is dissolved and the       gods have been blended together into one,       when nature comes to a stop for a while; he       reposes in himself given over to his thoughts.       The wise man's behaviour is just like this: he       retires into himself, and is with himself." A. A.       Long and D. N. Sedley, The Hellenistic       Philosophers, Cambridge: Cambridge       University Press, 1987, I, 277, item O, from       Seneca, Letter 9.16 (SVF 2. 1065), text on II,       276: "qualis tamen futura est vita sapientis,       si sine amicis relinquatur in custodiam       coniectus vel in aliqua gente aliena destitutus       vel in navigatione longa retentus aut in       desertum litus eiectus? qualis est Iovis, cum       resoluto mundo et dis in unum confusis       paulisper cessante natura acquiescit sibi       cogitationibus suis traditus. tale quiddam       sapiens facit: in se reconditur, secum est."              It is just after this self-withdrawal that God       extends himself again, expresses himself       again, squirts into us and we thereby ooze into       existence, to begin another world-cycle, in       mutual recognition and gratefulness. All is well       that ends well ...              Great minds ...              Tang Huyen              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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