XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy.zen
From: daletx@gnusguy.com
On 8/30/2016 10:55 AM, Ned Ludd wrote:
>
> "Tang Huyen" wrote in message
> news:f8805c9a-d9cf-35a4-09d3-cdcee3e6504c@gmail.com...
>> On 8/29/2016 2:49 PM, Ned Ludd wrote:
>>
>>> The graveyard of ideas
>>> is necessarily spacious,
>>> and never diminishes.
>>> It has many ornate headstones:
>>> Monuments to tortured logic,
>>> and testaments to twisted reason.
>>> Occasionally a mausoleum
>>> dots the landscape, some great edifice
>>> of notions, holding sway, looming
>>> over the nearby acreage.
>>> The doors are rusted, windows gray
>>> and barred, opaque to any light,
>>> without or within, darkness.
>>> Each grave is tended faithfully,
>>> for each idea has a handmaiden,
>>> dressed in white, purporting to be
>>> pure reason, yet beneath her robes
>>> so sparkling white, a festering
>>> mass of emotion endlessly seethes.
>>> She tends her little plot and mossy stone
>>> with meticulous devotion,
>>> preserving the dead remains with undimmed
>>> ferocity, faithful to her bruised heart.
>>> Semper Fidelis, motto of warriors,
>>> is her guidestone, watchword, credo.
>>> For what is reason but faith in order.
>>> In springtime the grasses grow,
>>> obscuring the decaying graves.
>>> Her heart shudders at the relentless
>>> destruction of her cherished idea,
>>> hidden beneath the swelling sea of green.
>>> She will never leave, but rather die
>>> with her dying dream, reason lost
>>> for love of one precious thing,
>>> in the endlessness of things.
>>>
>>> - Ned (from "Tissue of Lies")
>>
>> Neddie dear, you are again a realist and
>> literalist of heart and of mind, a rare sight to
>> one who takes things as clouds passing in the
>> sky and water sliding off a duck's back. You
>> lock yourself up hermetically in the bubble of
>> ideas, eagerly, as if they were ends in
>> themselves, a golden cage of your own
>> concoction, glistening to itself in Onanistic
>> privacy and wholly oblivious to anything
>> external, specially anything as vile as reality,
>> which to others may be what said ideas refer
>> to, beyond themselves and their lofty circles.
>>
>> Ah! Poor finger, without moon to point to!
>> How lonely! How desolate!
>>
>> May I refer to what I said recently, that there
>> is a vicious circle, in that if one does not
>> know oneself, how does one get to know that
>> one does not know oneself? Here, if one does
>> not know any externality, how does one get
>> to know that one does not know any
>> externality? That said, the Stoic God in the
>> end of any world cycle returns to himself
>> alone, separate from any externality, as
>> Seneca says in his Letter 9:
>>
>> "What kind of life will a wise man have if he is
>> abandoned by his friends and hurled into
>> prison or isolated in some foreign country or
>> detained on a long voyage or cast out onto a
>> desert shore? It will be like the life of Zeus, at
>> the time when the world is dissolved and the
>> gods have been blended together into one,
>> when nature comes to a stop for a while; he
>> reposes in himself given over to his thoughts.
>> The wise man's behaviour is just like this: he
>> retires into himself, and is with himself." A. A.
>> Long and D. N. Sedley, The Hellenistic
>> Philosophers, Cambridge: Cambridge
>> University Press, 1987, I, 277, item O, from
>> Seneca, Letter 9.16 (SVF 2. 1065), text on II,
>> 276: "qualis tamen futura est vita sapientis,
>> si sine amicis relinquatur in custodiam
>> coniectus vel in aliqua gente aliena destitutus
>> vel in navigatione longa retentus aut in
>> desertum litus eiectus? qualis est Iovis, cum
>> resoluto mundo et dis in unum confusis
>> paulisper cessante natura acquiescit sibi
>> cogitationibus suis traditus. tale quiddam
>> sapiens facit: in se reconditur, secum est."
>>
>> It is just after this self-withdrawal that God
>> extends himself again, expresses himself
>> again, squirts into us and we thereby ooze into
>> existence, to begin another world-cycle, in
>> mutual recognition and gratefulness. All is well
>> that ends well ...
>>
>> Great minds ...
>>
>> Tang Huyen
>>
>
> Nice (if long) post. I must offer one correction, as realist
> and literalist as it may appear to your realist and literalist
> heart and mind.
>
> Your recent extensive use of the term 'onanistic', while
> comporting with the secondary dictionary definition of the
> term ("of or pertaining to masturbation"), is not, in fact,
> the meaning and import of the story of Onan. Most good
> dictionaries will correctly point out that the term refers to
> "withdrawal of the penis in sexual intercourse so that
> ejaculation takes place outside the vagina", which has
> nothing to do with masturbation. It has to do with
> contraception, which was the ENTIRE point of the story
> of Onan. God, and the Jews, do not favor contraception,
> if it is going to result in there being less Jews.
>
> Therefore, in terms of the primary definition of the term,
> I am very 'onanistic', in that I am very much in favor of
> contraception. Timing the removal of a "squirting" and
> "oozing" penis (to use your terms), in order to prevent
> conception, however, is a mission fraught with extreme
> peril. Thus my onanism religiously advocates the use
> of all ways and means (mechanical, chemical, and
> prophylactical) to prevent another screaming rug-rat
> from pillaging the earth.
>
> Ned
Of all the things I've done in my life, that ten minutes in the doctor's
office may have been the best, for me and the world in general.
DT
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