XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen, alt.philosophy.taoism   
   From: tanghuyen@gmail.com   
      
   On 9/9/2016 4:58 PM, Ummmmmmm wrote:   
      
   > So how would it be if you abandoned the view that 'enlightenment will   
   > result if you abandon all views'?   
   >   
   > Which isn't possible, of course. Our minds insist on us having a view or   
   > opinion about *everything* we encounter.   
      
   Ummie dear, How could you possibly know that   
   it is impossible to abandon all views? How could   
   you possibly know that "Our minds insist on us   
   having a view or opinion about *everything* we   
   encounter"? Have you perchance read all minds,   
   past, present and future, anywhere on earth,   
   including minds of dead people and unborn   
   people?   
      
   I freely admit that I have been nowhere near   
   abandoning all views, meaning intellective views.   
   But I read that some sages say so, ostensibly   
   from their own experience. So to me it is mere   
   hearsay. And I freely admit that I do not live up   
   to norms and standards that I proclaim. I refrain   
   from abusively universalising my views to all   
   humans, though I trust those sages who   
   declaim their (presumed) experience, namely   
   that they can and do abandon all views. It is to   
   me a noble ideal that I may or may not attain in   
   this life. And if I cannot attain it, I can yet relax   
   and be serene, about it and everything else, at   
   least to some extent and once in a while, even   
   as I know that I often fail.   
      
   You can enjoy certainty all you want. I am sadly   
   not equipped for that.   
      
   Tang Huyen   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)