XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen
From: invalid@invalid.invalid
Tang Huyen wrote:
> On 9/9/2016 4:58 PM, Ummmmmmm wrote:
>
>> So how would it be if you abandoned the view that 'enlightenment will
>> result if you abandon all views'?
>>
>> Which isn't possible, of course. Our minds insist on us having a view or
>> opinion about *everything* we encounter.
>
> Ummie dear, How could you possibly know that
> it is impossible to abandon all views? How could
> you possibly know that "Our minds insist on us
> having a view or opinion about *everything* we
> encounter"? Have you perchance read all minds,
> past, present and future, anywhere on earth,
> including minds of dead people and unborn
> people?
>
> I freely admit that I have been nowhere near
> abandoning all views, meaning intellective views.
> But I read that some sages say so, ostensibly
> from their own experience. So to me it is mere
> hearsay. And I freely admit that I do not live up
> to norms and standards that I proclaim. I refrain
> from abusively universalising my views to all
> humans, though I trust those sages who
> declaim their (presumed) experience, namely
> that they can and do abandon all views. It is to
> me a noble ideal that I may or may not attain in
> this life. And if I cannot attain it, I can yet relax
> and be serene, about it and everything else, at
> least to some extent and once in a while, even
> as I know that I often fail.
>
> You can enjoy certainty all you want. I am sadly
> not equipped for that.
>
> Tang Huyen
>
It isn't necessary to abandon everything, but clinging to anything is a
"known" preventive, it'll keep you asleep for as long as you snore.
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