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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   Tang Huyen  wrote:   
   > On 9/14/2016 9:29 AM, Ned Ludd wrote:   
   >   
   >> Not too bad a quote.  Too bad you weren't there to help her   
   >> get rid of all basis that she stands and depends upon.   
   >>   
   >> She tries to "undo everything to redo everything" to be "all new"   
   >> so "no trace is left", and there "shall be in myself nothing fixed".   
   >>   
   >> Yet she does this firmly standing on "my God", whom she sees   
   >> as a "destructive spirit" and origin of "your creature" (herself),   
   >> in hopes that "I shall become in you" and "take in your hand   
   >> all the forms that will be convenient to your intentions."   
   >>   
   >> This is a variant of the famous and widely quoted (often by   
   >> scoundrels) Bible verse, "Thy will be done."   
   >>   
   >> Because everyone who has quoted "Thy will be done", or sought   
   >> to empty themselves of everything to be "all new", has lurking in   
   >> their little monkey brains a firm and unshakeable idea of what   
   >> God is and what God wants.  And therein lies all the sins of   
   >> mankind and religion.   
   >   
   > The quote is from Fénelon, so it should be "he".   
   > But what he says is distilled from his teacher,   
   > Madame Guyon, so the below applies to her also.   
   >   
   > He has to deal with the Church, which is   
   > breathing down his neck, to put it mildly, so   
   > some masquerade is needed, but if "no trace is   
   > left", and there "shall be in myself nothing   
   > fixed", what footing does he need? The   
   > openness, flexibility and plasticity, which he   
   > preaches and (presumably) attains, scarcely   
   > admit of any ground or abode. Perhaps he has   
   > lurking in his little monkey brains a firm and   
   > unshakeable idea of what God is and what God   
   > wants, but if you read him, that idea of God has   
   > not determination whatsoever. When he says "I   
   > shall become in you" and "take in your hand all   
   > the forms that will be convenient to your   
   > intentions", he actually is talking about himself,   
   > in closed circle, squirting out into himself and   
   > oozing into existence as a creation of himself,   
   > per the cycle of the Stoic God.   
   >   
   > As to all the sins of mankind and religion, they   
   > are as you take them. God has no power to   
   > dictate them to you. It is like when a customer   
   > walks into a bar and the barkeeper says:   
   > "What is your poison?" You decide what your   
   > poison is and drink it. It takes all kinds. The   
   > sins that would damn you are also the sins   
   > that would save you, they can go both ways,   
   > and it all depends on how you take them. It   
   > is not decided ahead of time. God's hand is   
   > your hand.   
   >   
   > Tang Huyen   
   >   
      
   As I read it, he's looking Death-by-God in the eye and holding fast to the   
   center, saying "i'm popeye the sailor man, take your best shot, ya   
   landlubber!"  Even throwing away all that he is, his place in society, his   
   material goods, his longstanding habits, take away everything, and he   
   remains what he is.  That's the kind of commitment it takes to become   
   awakened.   
      
   Then, they commit you.     
      
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