XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy.zen, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: cuddly@mindless.com   
      
   On 9/15/2016 10:16 AM, Julian wrote:   
   > On 15/09/2016 02:32, liaM wrote:   
   >> On 9/14/2016 10:39 PM, Julian wrote:   
   >>> On 14/09/2016 22:25, liaM wrote:   
   >>>> On 9/14/2016 9:55 PM, Julian wrote:   
   >>>>> On 14/09/2016 21:25, noname wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> There are no random mutations.  None.  Everything is mutating, all   
   >>>>>> the   
   >>>>>> time.  Then people come along and look at the survivors and say   
   >>>>>> they're the   
   >>>>>> result of "random" mutations.  There's nothing "random" about it,   
   >>>>>> those are   
   >>>>>> the few of the infinite number of different kinds of survivors who   
   >>>>>> actually   
   >>>>>> survived.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Is there anything random at all?   
   >>>>> I suspect it is just a name for things not yet understood.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Funny thing, I posted this french post awhile ago hoping TH would pick   
   >>>> up on it.  It's authored by a friend.  It answers your question..   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Let's see if I can manage a quick translation.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "As it happens, Allah creates the Universe anew every iota of time and   
   >>>> thus is the existence of any sort of causal relationship impossible in   
   >>>> the world."   
   >>>   
   >>> Is that so?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> I really love this quote coming from the pen of a denizen of the Usenet   
   >> 10 days ago.  Something new to me, makes sense in a kind of coy manner.   
   >>  God creating all there is contradicts the Buddhist concept of the   
   >> universe, no :) ??   
   >   
   > Perhaps not.   
   >   
   > If one takes Bertrand Russell's position   
   >   
   > "There is no reason to suppose that the world had a beginning at all.   
   >  The idea that things must have a beginning is really due to the   
   >  poverty of our thoughts."   
   >   
   > to be the Buddhist position, which I do regardless of the stories, and   
   >   
   > "God creating all there is"   
   >   
   > to be an admission that one doesn't know,   
   > which I do regardless of the stories,   
   > they're the same.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
      
      
   I sorta agree :)   - Have you read Wm. Yeats's "A Vision" ?   It   
   describes a 4 butterfly winged cycle for the universe cross-fading   
   personal to universal endpoints, with fate, personality, will and   
   whatnot, intertwined much like cycles cross-fading libertarianism and   
   socialism in modern politics.  Quantum computational theories project   
   we are an infinity of alternate universes in which each of us is the   
   central character in the plot.  So take a selfie.  You will see a self   
   in each of the infinity of universes predicted to co-exist.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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