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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   liaM  wrote:   
   > On 9/15/2016 10:16 AM, Julian wrote:   
   >> On 15/09/2016 02:32, liaM wrote:   
   >>> On 9/14/2016 10:39 PM, Julian wrote:   
   >>>> On 14/09/2016 22:25, liaM wrote:   
   >>>>> On 9/14/2016 9:55 PM, Julian wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 14/09/2016 21:25, noname wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> There are no random mutations.  None.  Everything is mutating, all   
   >>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>> time.  Then people come along and look at the survivors and say   
   >>>>>>> they're the   
   >>>>>>> result of "random" mutations.  There's nothing "random" about it,   
   >>>>>>> those are   
   >>>>>>> the few of the infinite number of different kinds of survivors who   
   >>>>>>> actually   
   >>>>>>> survived.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Is there anything random at all?   
   >>>>>> I suspect it is just a name for things not yet understood.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Funny thing, I posted this french post awhile ago hoping TH would pick   
   >>>>> up on it.  It's authored by a friend.  It answers your question..   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Let's see if I can manage a quick translation.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> "As it happens, Allah creates the Universe anew every iota of time and   
   >>>>> thus is the existence of any sort of causal relationship impossible in   
   >>>>> the world."   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Is that so?   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> I really love this quote coming from the pen of a denizen of the Usenet   
   >>> 10 days ago.  Something new to me, makes sense in a kind of coy manner.   
   >>> God creating all there is contradicts the Buddhist concept of the   
   >>> universe, no :) ??   
   >>   
   >> Perhaps not.   
   >>   
   >> If one takes Bertrand Russell's position   
   >>   
   >> "There is no reason to suppose that the world had a beginning at all.   
   >> The idea that things must have a beginning is really due to the   
   >> poverty of our thoughts."   
   >>   
   >> to be the Buddhist position, which I do regardless of the stories, and   
   >>   
   >> "God creating all there is"   
   >>   
   >> to be an admission that one doesn't know,   
   >> which I do regardless of the stories,   
   >> they're the same.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
   >   
   > I sorta agree :)   - Have you read Wm. Yeats's "A Vision" ?   It   
   > describes a 4 butterfly winged cycle for the universe cross-fading   
   > personal to universal endpoints, with fate, personality, will and   
   > whatnot, intertwined much like cycles cross-fading libertarianism and   
   > socialism in modern politics.  Quantum computational theories project   
   > we are an infinity of alternate universes in which each of us is the   
   > central character in the plot.  So take a selfie.  You will see a self   
   > in each of the infinity of universes predicted to co-exist.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
      
   The multiverse is the union of all the possible universes.  Every time we   
   make a choice to do this, we abandon the universe where we could have   
   chosen to do that, and proceed through the universes that remain.  With our   
   every choice we make our world by excluding the infinite number of worlds   
   where we did not so choose, and the infinite number of worlds spreading   
   from each of those.  What do you think Dhammapada-1 "Choices" is all about,   
   anyway?  Maybe I've been reading something different from what you've been   
   reading, you think?  Besides, this isn't some bullshit personal theory,   
   it's a pure simple fact, and if you think it isn't you may need to read   
   this paragraph again.  It's pretty simple, you choose this or that.  If you   
   choose this, you didn't choose that.  Duh.   
      
   Sometimes the universes we abandon for our own (perhaps unthought,   
   desire-driven) reasons contain the one path where we don't get   
   raped-and-pillaged.  People just do what they want, not realizing they are   
   choosing what they get, though its exact form is left to the convenience of   
   the manifestation to which they have navigated themselves.   
      
   People do this shit all the time, they take a shortcut through a dark   
   parking lot and get robbed then whine that the mean man did it to them,   
   never realizing that by choosing as they did, they demanded it of the   
   world, and if it hadn't been a robbery in a parking lot, it would have been   
   something else.  It's what they needed, the best possible thing that could   
   have happened to them given their lifetime of choices.   
      
   Science looks at the elephant's leg and has it all figured out.  Buddhism   
   looks at the elephant's trunk and has it all figured out.  Christianity   
   concerns itself with the elephant's tail and they have it all figured out   
   too.  It's an elephant, people; if it lifts its leg science will have a fit   
   because their whole world goes all hinky when the elephant "randomly" takes   
   a piss.   
      
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