XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: absfg_wilson@yahoo.com   
      
   On 9/15/2016 7:07 PM, noname wrote:   
   > {:-])))  wrote:   
   >> Ummmmmmm wrote:   
   >>> {:-]))) wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> To think there is what is called the one true reality   
   >>>> independent of all viewers might be called a   
   >>>> sort of hypothetical situation.   
   >>>   
   >>> Agreed. To 'think' that there is one true reality independent of all   
   >>> viewers is a hypothetical situation.   
   >>>   
   >>> On the other hand, to *know* the one true reality, is to know that it's   
   >>> the same for everyone.   
   >>   
   >> Two people will experience any   
   >> so-called event, or, reality, different.   
   >>   
   >> Hence, there is no, "same" for everyone.   
   >   
   > You keep making this same logic error.  Yes, everybody experiences things   
   > differently, but what they are experiencing is the same actual universe,   
   > which doesn't care how many people experience it in how many ways, it is   
   > simply what it is.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>> This is not a hypothetical, but an actual situation. The universe, as it   
   >>> exists here and now.   
   >>   
   >> To presume there is a thing, the universe,   
   >> or any so-called thing, is a presumption to begin with.   
   >>   
   >> It's called carving the Uncarved Block.   
   >> It's a myth within a myth standing on guilded legs.   
   >>   
   >> If you taste some so-called thing, someone else can't.   
   >>   
   >> What you tasted is gone by your tasting of it.   
   >>   
   >> Two people can't eat the same candy.   
   >   
   > More of the same logic error.  Two people can look at the same painting.   
   > What they see is the same painting.  What they perceive is not the same   
   > perception.  What they experience is not the same experience.  But the   
   > painting is just the painting, it's the same to everyone who sees it,   
   > though what they see is always different.   
      
   It boils down to that old philosophical question, "Is there a reality   
   outside of the experience of reality?"   
      
   The tree that falls alone in the forest would perhaps say, "Yes. And by   
   the way it was noisy as hell".   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)