XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy.zen, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: julianlzb87@gmail.com   
      
   On 15/09/2016 14:05, liaM wrote:   
   > On 9/15/2016 10:16 AM, Julian wrote:   
   >> On 15/09/2016 02:32, liaM wrote:   
   >>> On 9/14/2016 10:39 PM, Julian wrote:   
   >>>> On 14/09/2016 22:25, liaM wrote:   
   >>>>> On 9/14/2016 9:55 PM, Julian wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 14/09/2016 21:25, noname wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> There are no random mutations.  None.  Everything is mutating, all   
   >>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>> time.  Then people come along and look at the survivors and say   
   >>>>>>> they're the   
   >>>>>>> result of "random" mutations.  There's nothing "random" about it,   
   >>>>>>> those are   
   >>>>>>> the few of the infinite number of different kinds of survivors who   
   >>>>>>> actually   
   >>>>>>> survived.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Is there anything random at all?   
   >>>>>> I suspect it is just a name for things not yet understood.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Funny thing, I posted this french post awhile ago hoping TH would pick   
   >>>>> up on it.  It's authored by a friend.  It answers your question..   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Let's see if I can manage a quick translation.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> "As it happens, Allah creates the Universe anew every iota of time and   
   >>>>> thus is the existence of any sort of causal relationship impossible in   
   >>>>> the world."   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Is that so?   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> I really love this quote coming from the pen of a denizen of the Usenet   
   >>> 10 days ago.  Something new to me, makes sense in a kind of coy manner.   
   >>>  God creating all there is contradicts the Buddhist concept of the   
   >>> universe, no :) ??   
   >>   
   >> Perhaps not.   
   >>   
   >> If one takes Bertrand Russell's position   
   >>   
   >> "There is no reason to suppose that the world had a beginning at all.   
   >>  The idea that things must have a beginning is really due to the   
   >>  poverty of our thoughts."   
   >>   
   >> to be the Buddhist position, which I do regardless of the stories, and   
   >>   
   >> "God creating all there is"   
   >>   
   >> to be an admission that one doesn't know,   
   >> which I do regardless of the stories,   
   >> they're the same.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
   >   
   > I sorta agree :)   - Have you read Wm. Yeats's "A Vision" ?   
      
   No.   
      
    > It   
   > describes a 4 butterfly winged cycle for the universe cross-fading   
   > personal to universal endpoints, with fate, personality, will and   
   > whatnot, intertwined much like cycles cross-fading libertarianism and   
   > socialism in modern politics.  Quantum computational theories project   
   > we are an infinity of alternate universes in which each of us is the   
   > central character in the plot.  So take a selfie.  You will see a self   
   > in each of the infinity of universes predicted to co-exist.   
      
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