XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy.zen, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: cuddly@mindless.com   
      
   On 9/16/2016 1:07 AM, noname wrote:   
   > liaM  wrote:   
   >> On 9/15/2016 11:55 AM, noname wrote:   
   >>> liaM  wrote:   
   >>>> On 9/14/2016 9:55 PM, Julian wrote:   
   >>>>> On 14/09/2016 21:25, noname wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> There are no random mutations.  None.  Everything is mutating, all the   
   >>>>>> time.  Then people come along and look at the survivors and say   
   >>>>>> they're the   
   >>>>>> result of "random" mutations.  There's nothing "random" about it,   
   >>>>>> those are   
   >>>>>> the few of the infinite number of different kinds of survivors who   
   >>>>>> actually   
   >>>>>> survived.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Is there anything random at all?   
   >>>>> I suspect it is just a name for things not yet understood.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Funny thing, I posted this french post awhile ago hoping TH would pick   
   >>>> up on it.  It's authored by a friend.  It answers your question..   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Let's see if I can manage a quick translation.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "As it happens, Allah creates the Universe anew every iota of time and   
   >>>> thus is the existence of any sort of causal relationship impossible in   
   >>>> the world."   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> On 9/5/2016 2:15 PM, Ahmed Ouahi, Architect wrote :   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> À savoir qu'à chaque atome de temps essentiellement qui s'écoule   
   >>>>> Allah crée à nouveau le monde tout entier et qu'ainsi n'en puisse-t-il   
   >>>>> Aucunement exister dans le monde aucune sorte de relation causale   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> The idea that the world is not continuous, but is manifest over and over in   
   >>> response to the choices of sentient beings everywhere, is one not often   
   >>> seen.  Your author has concluded that it makes causality impossible, but I   
   >>> conclude that causality is the very essence of it all.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Don't forget Chaos without which human beings would be as boring as   
   >> robots :)   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
   > True chaos is the total and absolute absence of order.  In true chaos   
   > nothing is temporally related to anything, shit just goes on with no rhyme   
   > or reason, our brains wouldn't work right for a second in true chaos, where   
   > nothing is related to anything else, and it's all just chaos-soup.  In true   
   > chaos, humans wouldn't be any more or less boring than the rest of the   
   > soup, because human bodies are highly ordered; being highly ordered, they   
   > physically cannot exist in absolute chaos.   
   >   
   > At the top of the conceptual pyramid is total order, at the bottom no order   
   > at all; above is the non-manifest realm, below that the realm we exist in,   
   > the manifestaton of all that is above, firmly above chaos as evidenced by   
   > the fact that we can detect order in our environment, sits humanity,   
   > convinced that the elephant is its leg.   
   >   
   > imo.   
   >   
      
      
   You define chaos for the earthly plane.  Mine refers to the mathematical   
   evidence of its unpredictability and as a never ending source of all   
   that's interesting on earth and in the heavens.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)