XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: cuddly@mindless.com   
      
   On 9/16/2016 6:31 AM, Nobody in Particular wrote:   
   > On 9/15/2016 4:07 PM, noname wrote:   
   >> {:-])))  wrote:   
   >>> Ummmmmmm wrote:   
   >>>> {:-]))) wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> To think there is what is called the one true reality   
   >>>>> independent of all viewers might be called a   
   >>>>> sort of hypothetical situation.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Agreed. To 'think' that there is one true reality independent of all   
   >>>> viewers is a hypothetical situation.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> On the other hand, to *know* the one true reality, is to know that it's   
   >>>> the same for everyone.   
   >>>   
   >>> Two people will experience any   
   >>> so-called event, or, reality, different.   
   >>>   
   >>> Hence, there is no, "same" for everyone.   
   >>   
   >> You keep making this same logic error.  Yes, everybody experiences things   
   >> differently, but what they are experiencing is the same actual universe,   
   >> which doesn't care how many people experience it in how many ways, it is   
   >> simply what it is.   
   >   
   > One of my all-time favorite quotes is by the quantum physicist Bernard   
   > d'Espagnat, the teacher of Alain Aspect (of the famous Aspect Experiment):   
   > "The doctrine that the world is made up of objects whose existence is   
   > independent of human consciousness turns out to be in conflict with   
   > quantum mechanics and with facts established by experiment."   
   > -- Bernard d'Espagnat   
   >   
   > You appear to take the opposing view.   
   >   
      
   What facts ?  What experiments ?   
      
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