XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   Wilson  wrote:   
   > On 9/15/2016 7:07 PM, noname wrote:   
   >> {:-])))  wrote:   
   >>> Ummmmmmm wrote:   
   >>>> {:-]))) wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> To think there is what is called the one true reality   
   >>>>> independent of all viewers might be called a   
   >>>>> sort of hypothetical situation.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Agreed. To 'think' that there is one true reality independent of all   
   >>>> viewers is a hypothetical situation.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> On the other hand, to *know* the one true reality, is to know that it's   
   >>>> the same for everyone.   
   >>>   
   >>> Two people will experience any   
   >>> so-called event, or, reality, different.   
   >>>   
   >>> Hence, there is no, "same" for everyone.   
   >>   
   >> You keep making this same logic error.  Yes, everybody experiences things   
   >> differently, but what they are experiencing is the same actual universe,   
   >> which doesn't care how many people experience it in how many ways, it is   
   >> simply what it is.   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>> This is not a hypothetical, but an actual situation. The universe, as it   
   >>>> exists here and now.   
   >>>   
   >>> To presume there is a thing, the universe,   
   >>> or any so-called thing, is a presumption to begin with.   
   >>>   
   >>> It's called carving the Uncarved Block.   
   >>> It's a myth within a myth standing on guilded legs.   
   >>>   
   >>> If you taste some so-called thing, someone else can't.   
   >>>   
   >>> What you tasted is gone by your tasting of it.   
   >>>   
   >>> Two people can't eat the same candy.   
   >>   
   >> More of the same logic error.  Two people can look at the same painting.   
   >> What they see is the same painting.  What they perceive is not the same   
   >> perception.  What they experience is not the same experience.  But the   
   >> painting is just the painting, it's the same to everyone who sees it,   
   >> though what they see is always different.   
   >   
   > It boils down to that old philosophical question, "Is there a reality   
   > outside of the experience of reality?"   
   >   
   > The tree that falls alone in the forest would perhaps say, "Yes. And by   
   > the way it was noisy as hell".   
   >   
   >   
   >   
      
   What makes us think that any tree ever falls alone in a forest, or that the   
   world must have had a beginning?   
      
   This is not a cute quip, it's a serious question, something that deserves   
   to be thought to the floor and pinned down.   
      
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