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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   Nobody in Particular  wrote:   
   > On 9/15/2016 4:07 PM, noname wrote:   
   >> {:-])))  wrote:   
   >>> Ummmmmmm wrote:   
   >>>> {:-]))) wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> To think there is what is called the one true reality   
   >>>>> independent of all viewers might be called a   
   >>>>> sort of hypothetical situation.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Agreed. To 'think' that there is one true reality independent of all   
   >>>> viewers is a hypothetical situation.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> On the other hand, to *know* the one true reality, is to know that it's   
   >>>> the same for everyone.   
   >>>   
   >>> Two people will experience any   
   >>> so-called event, or, reality, different.   
   >>>   
   >>> Hence, there is no, "same" for everyone.   
   >>   
   >> You keep making this same logic error.  Yes, everybody experiences things   
   >> differently, but what they are experiencing is the same actual universe,   
   >> which doesn't care how many people experience it in how many ways, it is   
   >> simply what it is.   
   >   
   > One of my all-time favorite quotes is by the quantum physicist Bernard   
   > d'Espagnat, the teacher of Alain Aspect (of the famous Aspect Experiment):   
   > "The doctrine that the world is made up of objects whose existence is   
   > independent of human consciousness turns out to be in conflict with   
   > quantum mechanics and with facts established by experiment."   
   > -- Bernard d'Espagnat   
   >   
   > You appear to take the opposing view.   
   >   
   >   
      
   He said the facts of experiments, and the quantum-mechanics theory which   
   was derived from those facts, conflicts with the theory that an actual   
   reality exists.  Is my paraphrasing correct or incorrect?   
      
   What he did not say, at least not in that quote, is that he assumes   
   physical reality to be continually existent.   
      
   I do not make that assumption, in fact I say it is just the opposite:   
   physical reality, the whole physical universe, flickers into and out of   
   existence on a regular basis, and that occurs every time a sentient being   
   chooses this instead of that.  It manifests into physical existence, as   
   necessary, in order to comply with the wishes of every sentient being.   
   (Quite a mess has been made of it, ay?)   
      
   Therefore (and I use that word humorously here) there is no conflict   
   between what he is saying and what I am saying, even though we are saying   
   different things.  Unless you prefer to conflate them into a single thing,   
   and then one of our views is correct and the other incorrect.   
      
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